Thread: 6.2 MSQ Story Review

Originally Posted by Raoabolic

It's almost like you can craft the story to show the history of this new land you have come across. Your guide can just be some random NPC that points you to the direction of a town while giving you some basic history of the area... Boy, the beginning of ShB was pretty spiffy.

We had the basic history of the Void already. We've had it since ARR, and got more from the Warring Triad and Shadows of Mhach stories in HW. And we did have random NPCs who gave us more history of the castle area. That's how we found Zero in the first place.

Originally Posted by Iscah

The alternative is that we wander around aimlessly for some time before finding our plot hook.

It's a story. Plot convenience is expected.

Plot convenience is expected but any roleplayer will say that theres a world of difference between organic leading and the "thou you must", and the plot has bended so hard for Zero shaenigans that is a miracle didnt break its spine by piling one "coincidence" over another several times on row.

Pacing and filler contents are a completely separate issue

Originally Posted by Y2K21

I think the issue with 6.2 is that there is a lot of plot convenience going on with the new character that is really hard to ignore once you think about it:

1) Out of the entire 13th, Zero is located in the same domain as the WoL's landing
2) Zero was rather imprisoned instead of being killed or absorbed by the domain leader (who was already aggressive vs. the WoL by us appearing).
3) Zero is transformed back into a more mortal form due to Hydealyn's crystal and is shown to only be half-voidsent in a world completely overrun by voidsent.
4) Zero manages to evade becoming a full voidsent when the world fell to darkness and only was in the previous form due to Zenos' meddling
5) Zero has lost knowledge on how to defeat the main foe that NO ONE else knows or has been lost to time.

Some plot convenience is fine, but when you are adding so many layers to a brand new character in their introductory -- it comes off more as hamfisted.

It's out of the blue powercreep. Storywriting is taking a nosedive. And they needed another excuse to throw yet another "escort quest" they seem to be so fond of.

But I have this sinking feeling that Zero is going to take a wrong turn and turn into Zeromus.

The whole thing of "I just so happen to be the only individual able to turn voidsent into poprocks" is such a cliche bad anime trope to write it comes off as bad fanfic.

I'd go out of my way to say that Hildibrand Adventures has better writing.

Zero's personality or lack thereof boils down to "Dormammu I have come to bargain".

I liked the story

Originally Posted by Y2K21

I think the issue with 6.2 is that there is a lot of plot convenience going on with the new character that is really hard to ignore once you think about it:

1) Out of the entire 13th, Zero is located in the same domain as the WoL's landing
2) Zero was rather imprisoned instead of being killed or absorbed by the domain leader (who was already aggressive vs. the WoL by us appearing).
3) Zero is transformed back into a more mortal form due to Hydealyn's crystal and is shown to only be half-voidsent in a world completely overrun by voidsent.
4) Zero manages to evade becoming a full voidsent when the world fell to darkness and only was in the previous form due to Zenos' meddling
5) Zero has lost knowledge on how to defeat the main foe that NO ONE else knows or has been lost to time.

Some plot convenience is fine, but when you are adding so many layers to a brand new character in their introductory -- it comes off more as hamfisted.

Not as different as all the other plot conveniences we had in previous expansions. Where we just so happen to be there in the right place and in the right time.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Not as different as all the other plot conveniences we had in previous expansions. Where we just so happen to be there in the right place and in the right time.

I think my issue is that the story goes too quickly on Zero's build up for my liking -- I think going from "the archfiends are eternal and we cannot kill them" to "lol memoria" within 5 minutes is a bit jarring. Whats the point of building them up as these feared commanders of the 13th when we get the solution dropped into our laps within the same cutscene?

Originally Posted by Iscah

The alternative is that we wander around aimlessly for some time before finding our plot hook.

It's a story. Plot convenience is expected.

Exactly, otherwise you have large sections of just pure nothing and filler with terrible pacing if people expect for things to happen realistically. If we already accepted this before during ARR, HW, SB, and ShB why all of the sudden does 6.2 get the bad rap here.

Again, odd criticisms that mean nothing.

I like that with Zero we reverse transformed her compared to Vaulthry's "ascension".

The 13th is nothing special per se but because we have a mixture of knowledge on the voidsent we faced and the First, it makes comparisons more on the nose.

The only thing I personally don't see is Zeromus, Golbez overstaying for 7.0, maybe an aftermath of what could possibly happen but we probably should see some new original character like Zero or something related to another FF title.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I have no idea why people continue trying to argue about the way I or others phrase things and as always I have no intention of entertaining that line of discussion further because it would too easily derail the thread.

I'd rather Zero not become Zeromus, because in her absence we'd be once again stuck with the Scions who have long since overstayed their welcome. Even their fans agree with this. I'd like for her to remain a member of the cast and contribute to something of substance rather than just being along for the ride like the Scions felt they were in Endwalker.

I think Zero will become a Trust longterm. Zero has a few traits of the Maenads from FF4: TAY.

And I also believe that this Golbez arc is gonna be wrapped up before 7.0 happens given Scar was given the Anima treatment and Barbie was offed in 5 minutes of screentime.

Something will go down where you beat the 4 and something goes wrong and you end up having to beat the 4 in a gauntlet and end up later on fighting Zeromus.

Seems like that is where it's going.

Inb4 Golbez is also a memoriate.