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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
    That's another thing. The story tells us the reasoning of Venat's faction in abstract, but it still keeps the details of the scenario super vague. Why was it a sure thing they'd never move forward? It makes it come across as mass-murder based on a vibe. Why not elaborate a bit?
    They basically had the power of a god in their hands, allowing them to rewrite the rules of reality, bring back the dead, etc etc. Makes it so they don't need to worry about future problems, their god will solve all of it, so they get complacent and basically go "God will fix it" every time something comes up. There's no learning in such a world, nothing to strive for, and as we know the Amaurotine society was basically built on learning and striving to make the world a better place. Zodiark was ironically the thing that would destroy their very way of life just by existing.
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    Lurina's Avatar
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    Floria Aerinus
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    They basically had the power of a god in their hands, allowing them to rewrite the rules of reality, bring back the dead, etc etc. Makes it so they don't need to worry about future problems, their god will solve all of it, so they get complacent and basically go "God will fix it" every time something comes up. There's no learning in such a world, nothing to strive for, and as we know the Amaurotine society was basically built on learning and striving to make the world a better place. Zodiark was ironically the thing that would destroy their very way of life just by existing.
    Okay, but again: Vibe-based mass murder. This is the story asking us to accept the Hydaelyn faction (assuming she did tell them what the Sundering was going to do) was okay with identity-deathing everyone on the planet and condemning the lives which would follow to millenia of hardship over what was essentially a cultural problem that is not explicitly defined as harming anyone. This makes them come across as bonkers ideologues, not heroes.

    Like, imagine if in the real world, we discover some sort of technology - replicators or some junk, IDK - that makes us decadent and culturally stagnant. No one, or at least no one in their right mind, would say that an appropriate solution to this would be to nuke the planet and everyone on it back to the stone age. It's moon logic morality that the writers could have easily sidestepped.
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    Orisic Yarze
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
    Okay, but again: Vibe-based mass murder. This is the story asking us to accept the Hydaelyn faction (assuming she did tell them what the Sundering was going to do) was okay with identity-deathing everyone on the planet and condemning the lives which would follow to millenia of hardship over what was essentially a cultural problem that is not explicitly defined as harming anyone. This makes them come across as bonkers ideologues, not heroes.

    Like, imagine if in the real world, we discover some sort of technology - replicators or some junk, IDK - that makes us decadent and culturally stagnant. No one, or at least no one in their right mind, would say that an appropriate solution to this would be to nuke the planet and everyone on it back to the stone age. It's moon logic morality that the writers could have easily sidestepped.
    That technology is called the internet and everything that makes up McDonalds and I fully support the total annihilation of one of them.
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    Raelle Brinn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurina View Post
    Okay, but again: Vibe-based mass murder. This is the story asking us to accept the Hydaelyn faction (assuming she did tell them what the Sundering was going to do) was okay with identity-deathing everyone on the planet and condemning the lives which would follow to millenia of hardship over what was essentially a cultural problem that is not explicitly defined as harming anyone. This makes them come across as bonkers ideologues, not heroes.
    Listen, Lurina, if my personal belief in a hypothetical about human behavior that hasn't come to pass yet, but I think probably will, isn't enough to warrant the unilateral eradication of an entire race of people, then what is, huh?
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