Doton uses Single Target

[Gamerdude9]

Hello!

It's come to my attention that a lot of ninja's are using Doton on Bosses. Of course, a lot, might be a large exaggeration .


For those who don't know the math. Doton tics immediately and upon expiration (abouts) for 9 tics. 24,21,18,15,12,9,6,3,0ish . 9*70 for 630 vs 650 instant for Raiton.

Never is not an acceptable answer here. There are always instances where party buffs, debuffs, and timing at where a ninja is at in a rotation where a ninja can further optimize.

Under what particular situations are the Pro optimizer ninja players using Doton instead of Raiton?

[baklava151]

The answer is never though. There's prepull Doton but outside of that Doton is always a damage loss on single target, no combination of raid buffs is going to change that. On top of that at 90 Raiton gives stacks of Raiju Ready which gives you access to even stronger abilities, so there's also that to take into consideration.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Never is not an acceptable answer here.

What about "not ever?"

[Bonkleberry]

I do not feel like doing maths and I am not a pro Ninja player. However, I did want to point out Hollow Nozuchi, which some posters seem to be forgetting. I can easily imagine a situation during an add phase where you can use Doton on the single target boss, then turn your attention to the incoming adds and burst them down with Katon and your AoE combo, triggering extra damage on the boss everytime. But that seems like a very specialized moment.

[Derio]

Only on prepull. Thats it. Every other time on single target is a big no no.

[wereotter]

Doton takes an additional second to execute over Raiton due to needing to enter three mudra commands as opposed to two. So even in a worst case scenario, you're losing 1 GCD every 2-3 times you use Doton over Raiton. That additional 60 potency is less than the 210 potency you'd get from just a Spinning Edge.

Also it's worth mentioning that in order to even get that extra 20 potency, the boss also has to stay in the floor circle for the entire cast, and this isn't always going to be the case. Bosses jump around, they go untargetable, and tanks sometimes just have to move them, meaning that if you lost even 3 seconds of the boss standing in the circle, you've lost potency over using Raiton. And neither of these things even consider what was already stated that by using doton, you also don't get your stacks of raiju ready.

Basically put, never ever ever use doton when there's only one target.

[Equitable_Remedy]

Doton uses Single Target

I can easily imagine a situation during an add phase

That just don't add up.

[Deceptus]

On top of that at 90 Raiton gives stacks of Raiju Ready which gives you access to even stronger abilities, so there's also that to take into consideration.

But those stacks are lost on the first weapon skill used (stupid I know. . . )

[Kolsykol]

Tbh I normally don't do it in prepull either because I pug and tanks never take it into consideration and pull to weird spots quite often.

Imo they should let us stack up on a Doton outside of combat so that we could just drop it during the opener at no Mudra cost.
It's really annoying how it's part of your opener but it's so dependent on the tank and awkward.

[AziraSyuren]

I imagine there are very niche scenarios where downtime would lead to Doton being a gain on single target (not that I've ever heard of them, I just imagine it's possible), but otherwise, no, it's never a good idea outside of prepull shenanigans.