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    momokami's Avatar
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    Kaede Kaata
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    Ninja Lv 90

    can we talk about casters

    okay this has been a big issue for a while but with 6.2 its somehow even worse, people have this weird idea that melee uptime is hard and thats why ranged jobs should be weak but in this expansion melee uptime is not a thing as a melee almost every fight has free uptime and if it doesnt the boss goes untargertable which makes me wonder why are ranged jobs getting taxed this high especially casters having to plan the fight so you never need to drop a cast bar and still do so little damage in comparison is very discouraging.

    im not saying all casters and phys ranged should be higher than all melees its just that the variance between job damage this time is pretty big

    i hope the devs reconsider the current balance.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Casters and healers actually fighting for uptime while the melee play 10% damage up phys ranged is getting really old at this point
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    Kaede Kaata
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    Ninja Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Casters and healers actually fighting for uptime while the melee play 10% damage up phys ranged is getting really old at this point
    exactly! as a nin i have no issues with uptime i keep hearing people say "ranged tax" but with how this current expansion fight design is going "ranged tax" makes no sense
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    how about here?
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    Saber Maxwell
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    Faerie
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    FFXIV: MeleeWalker is real.

    I'd say It'd be nice to make melee fight for their uptime again...but that would just make life even harder on Red Mage who needs to be in melee for bursts. Bursts that pretty often coincide with mechanics like 8s doorboss intermission wherein everyone spreads...and who in their right mind would let a red mage in to burst when a melee is also bursting?
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    Blue Bird
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Uhhh what is this "tax" you're talking about?

    What makes you think casters are weaker than melee? How do you know of this information?!

    Are you... ARE YOU USING 3RD PARTY PROGRAMS TO MEASURE AND COMPARE YOUR DAMAGES?!

    Ban'd!
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by BluexBird View Post
    Uhhh what is this "tax" you're talking about?
    They made it up. The tax doesn't exist. The classes just don't do as much deeps. It's a silly term for silly people.
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    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    They made it up. The tax doesn't exist. The classes just don't do as much deeps. It's a silly term for silly people.
    Bow mage...

    The ranged tax has been a thing since post HW. Their answer to ARR BRD was literally to put a cast time on them in HW and people hated the cast times (I didn't mind it personally) thus they removed it and lowered the physical ranged dps heavily.
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Excalibur
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    Bow mage...

    The ranged tax has been a thing since post HW. Their answer to ARR BRD was literally to put a cast time on them in HW and people hated the cast times (I didn't mind it personally) thus they removed it and lowered the physical ranged dps heavily.
    Got a dev source on that?
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Got a dev source on that?
    The proof is in the pudding, so to speak



    Notice the rather clear distinction between melee+blm compared to the other ranged jobs. The only reasons for that cliff to exist are either:

    1) Ranged tax.

    2) They're just really bad at balancing.

    Take your pick
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