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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbane View Post
    No they don't.

    Go watch "Crazy Rich Asians" twice: once to enjoy it, it's a stellar rom-com, and the second time to study how the main character (MC), who is 100% ethnic Chinese and born in China, is discriminated against by her fiancee's mother -- who is also 100% ethnic Chinese -- because she is a foreigner.

    It's not NC's ethnicity that is the problem, it's that MC was raised in America, and the potential mother-in-law thinks that means MC has some stereotypical values that make MC a bad choice of spouse for her son.

    Ethnicity may be highly correlated with place-of-origin, but it isn't determined by it.
    Bruh. I was raised (mostly) in America, raised by two immigrant parents. I quite literally do not have any Caucasian in me outside the bedroom. I'm Haitian and my dad and I both have the accent. I don't really need a sitcom to conceptualize racism for me, I have experienced it plenty myself lol. I am biracial with Salvadoran descent. I have at least experienced racism from all sides of the coin at some point in my life. :^)


    Where do you think the discrimination comes from? Why do people believe the negative things they do about a ethnicity/race? If they had a neutral standpoint, would they call someone a stupid foreigner? If I continuously call people outside my race stupid foreigners, am I not exhibiting behaviors akin to strongly disliking, or as we say, hating something?

    Calling someone a "stupid foreigner" absolutely has negative connotations towards someone's ethnicity/race lol. Again, saying something like "stupid German" or "stupid Frenchie" carries the same tone. You don't have to specifically name the race/ethnicity, you know. Most southern racists don't outright say they hate black people.

    As for your example: I realize I typed in ethnicity instead of race, but oh well. But yes, that is a real type of discrimination that happens. In this case, the fiancee's mom is discriminating simply based on the perceived American culture. Now, we can probably debate on whether or not it's discriminatory/racist/whatever until we turn blue in the face, but here is my view: There are different types of discrimination, even amongst the same groups of race. Of course Chinese v. Chinese American discrimination will be different. You'll be hardpressed to find a Chinese person being outwardly self-hating towards their race. However you can absolutely find discrimination based on a view of "Chinese-Americans are just Americans". It's not based on race hate, no, but definitely a strong dislike for American/European centric values. It's a bit different, IMO, compared to calling a stranger a "stupid foreigner".

    For my example, I'll use an IRL one. My family and I lived in a white-centric town for years. My mother does not speak English well. Caucasians have called her a "stupid foreigner", "stupid immigrant", ect because they hear her struggling to speak English and just have associated that Hispanics = stupid immigrants who just need to go back home. They're not calling her a "stupid immigrant" for nothing lol.

    As for me myself, I am biracial but if you saw me you would instantly assume I'm black. I have, at many times, have experienced variations of "I hate black people", "I hate African Americans in particular because they're loud", people who say I "am one of the good ones".. this isn't even going into Haitians/Salvadorans hating the americanized ones lol. There is a lot of complexity to it.

    edit: This is a bit after I posted but I had to rethink and remember the outright discrimination I would face as a Haitian compared to other Africans lol. Haitians are literally the butt of the joke for many Africans of other descents. "You are not the right type of black/shade" comes to mind lol.
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