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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    I've heard that most of them can easily tell if someone is using a translator and they can get really angry over it.
    Which once again bring us to the "outsider = bad", so i wonder what your point was.

    Anyway, from reading this thread, the only "difference" between racism and xenophobia seems to be that in japan many have a general hate of all foreigners. Personally, i fail to see the difference, and whatever excuse they use for treating others as their lessers doesn't make it right regardless of what you wanna call it.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    Going to rewrite this since people seem to this this is just a simple 'attack the japanese' post.
    Your thread title makes it an "attack the japanese" post. Was the text you translated rude? Yes. Did it correlate to every single person on a Japanese server? No. Your thread title is classic 'click bait', with little substance other than an "I got kicked rudely" post.

    I was doing EX4 in 'DUTY FINDER', something that we do on JP servers when the content is pretty new, and everyone just learns the fight.
    Stretching the truth a bit here, as several Japanese players have pointed out.

    After 2-3 wipes leading into transition, i was removed from the group and didn't understand why until i went and translated some of the chat to english, where i was refered to as a "Stupid Foreigner' and told to 'go home'.
    So, you were not paying any attention to chat up to this point? How were you adjusting to comments regarding actual play tactics. Or were you ignoring them completely because you don't fluently read Japanese? Which of the many flavors of the term "stupid/foolish" did they use? One of these? 愚か, 間抜け, 愚かしい, 下らない, 馬鹿馬鹿しい, 間延び

    Just being clear, this is NOT attacking the JP playerbase, it's just sad to see that some of them still harbor bad feeling towards international players when some of us have played on the servers since 2013.
    Using the term 'racist' in your thread title was, indeed, an attack against the JP playerbase. Words have power, and you used the word deliberately.

    Any attitude like this is unacceptable from anyone in the game, Duty Finder will put you into groups with ANYONE. Please use party finder and make 'XX Only' groups or remove "E" from your matching settings if you do not want to participate in international parties.
    Do you have a "J" in your matching settings? Remember that JP players do not have to designate "E" for their matching settings if you use it. Also, you should have joined a PF group to learn, rather than pop into DF. You would know this if you have indeed been playing on a JP server for the last 9 years.

    Edit: Seems like it was just the one group, have not had a single issue clearing with other JP groups since, i really think i just ran into a few bad eggs.
    Yet you have not apologized to the JP playerbase for painting them with a solid brush.
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  3. #113
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    "Words have power"

    Yet someone posted something about the whole culture uses 'soft' insults. Oh the irony
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Learning to tank well is something that takes people years.

  4. #114
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    Quote Originally Posted by gotaname1 View Post
    "Words have power"

    Yet someone posted something about the whole culture uses 'soft' insults. Oh the irony
    Not gonna defend the OP here since we don't have the whole context or story, but imagine telling someone that they need to apologize to the entirety of JP playerbase when they were called a stupid foreigner lol. Those words are deliberate too, ya know.

    Saying "Japanese group" would give you an impression that it's not the entirety of the playerbase and certainly throughout the OP you can read that she is not meaning the entirety of the JP playerbase. Believe she's even said this throughout the thread but I'm too lazy to go look rn. It is a poorly worded title/post tho, that is true.
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  5. #115
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    You would know this if you have indeed been playing on a JP server for the last 9 years.


    No you are right, its been 4 days short of 9 years.
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  6. #116
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    How did this thread explode in a conversation about wars and whatnot in such a short time.
    Anyway, wether this happened or not, if something like that was to be said it would be awful and totally ban-worthy.
    There's literally 0 excuse. Wether OP was supposed to use DF or PF, wether they were playing badly or whatever else along those lines, it literally doesn't matter. You can kick somebody from a party, sure, you can't say somethng like "dumb foreigner, go home". It's really shocking how anybody could justify that. Even calling for an apology to the JP playerbase for making this thread! Is it a worship of Japanese people, where whatever they do they can never do any wrong, or thinking thay xenophobia is totally fine?
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  7. #117
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    Did OP post a screenshot or is this purely click bait?
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by GinTsuruga View Post
    Did OP post a screenshot or is this purely click bait?
    It's click bait. She has responded to cherry-picked comments and avoided anything inconvenient to her worldview (or anything that involved details), so that people can continue flying into indignant rage over xenophobic abuse that almost certainly didn't actually happen (and would have been easily resolved in a two minute in-game report if it had). Nothing was learned or acknowledged and OP will continue to spread disinformation about DF language filters and how JP servers always run learning parties in DF with strangers who don't communicate with them.
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  9. #119
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    Player on Tonberry here.

    You will find that these kind of wtfomgbbq problems are the result of:

    1) joining a duty finder that is asking for you to be able to communicate in Japanese and, when it turns out you can’t understand what they are trying to tell you, there is frustration. Along the lines of “we made a group and asked for people who can communicate, why did they join when they clearly can’t… why are they wasting our time”

    2) legit racism/bullying. I have never seen it personally, but it certainly exists. My entire experience has had nothing but overflowing patience from JP players.


    3) attention seekers making crap up.

    Op, if your story is true, report it and move on.
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  10. #120
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    I can only guess this because we only get to see your side of the story. It sounds like you made several party-wiping mistakes and didn't bother to try and communicate the oopsies, or see what the party was trying to say until later. If you were on a NA server, you would most likely get kicked for refusing to communicate too. I think you are upset because you got kicked and embellished the story a bit when you should have just reported it and called it a day.
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