Possible blacklist addition

[TaleraRistain]

I'm not sure why they didn't, but I think a perfectly viable alternative would have been to allow it to be done with trusts.

After Mothercrystal and having it be in MSQ, I was surprised they didn't. That's really the ultimate solution. I'm curious if they will go back and revamp this, since I believe they said the final goal is for the entire MSQ to be able to be done solo, but they weren't focusing on 8-man raid revamps first. When I heard it was going to be connected to MSQ, I considered it might be a 4-man with Duty Support.

Until they can do that, this would at least be a small band-aid fix. Alternatively, just allow them to be turned off entirely in options. Or crazy insane out there idea, only enable them for premade groups, lol. That would make some Alliance Roulette raids rather spicy.

[Silverbane]

They didn't [join a party labeled blind in PF[ but the point still stands for DF as well. Not everyone wants your help, shut up and let people figure it out themselves

No, it does not apply to DF.

People in DF shouldn't have to remain silent or not mark themselves when it means repeated wipes because someone -- someone who is too lazy or ignorant to use PF but too conceited to accept help -- wants to figure out the mechanics for themselves.

Lacking an agreement to do a blind run, people should respect the other players' time, and not waste it just for their own ego gratification.

[VerdeLuck]

No, it does not apply to DF.

People in DF shouldn't have to remain silent or not mark themselves when it means repeated wipes because someone -- someone who is too lazy or ignorant to use PF but too conceited to accept help -- wants to figure out the mechanics for themselves.

Lacking an agreement to do a blind run, people should respect the other players' time, and not waste it just for their own ego gratification.

No, the content is less than 12 hours old. Just be respectful and let people actually enjoy things the first time around. People in this game have absolutely no patience to let anyone learn at their own pace or take more than 1 pull to figure things out.
It has to be done asap so they can get on with the next soulless part of their arbitrary grind.

I swear to god this community absolutely optimizes and sucks the fun out of everything under the guise of "respecting their time", trying to go as fast as possible every time. Don't dare play it like it's a video game, this is a serious business job and I need to finish all the patch content immediately on the first day or else.

[Shuuli]

No, the content is less than 12 hours old. Just be respectful and let people actually enjoy things the first time around. People in this game have absolutely no patience to let anyone learn at their own pace or take more than 1 pull to figure things out.
It has to be done asap so they can get on with the next soulless part of their arbitrary grind.

I swear to god this community absolutely optimizes and sucks the fun out of everything under the guise of "respecting their time", trying to go as fast as possible every time. Don't dare play it like it's a video game, this is a serious business job and I need to finish all the patch content immediately on the first day or else.

It is a level 90+ content, where most people already know what to expect in DF unless they just hardboosting for harder content.

If I want to do something blind at this point, I will make a PF to do so. Which, I have seen a couple of them for this content for the normal run, but even for the dungeon.

In my opinion, I agree that we do not need to be too pushy and start giving out unasked advice, but on the other hand, there is a chat and people can say in chat "hey im new, can we do this blind?" and then I am sure most would be okay to do so.

IMO you are being very aggressive when people are just giving their opinion. Could use a big breath, take a step back and don't treat everyone like they are the spawn of satan because they prefer to do things differently, and expect others at level 90+ to:
- know how the game and its player base works
- SPEAK when they want something

[SpiritTamer]

They didn't but the point still stands for DF as well, I've just seen it way more in Party Finder. Not everyone wants your help, shut up and let people figure it out themselves if they want instead of spewing explanations immediately.

If I use Duty Finder to join something I've never done before, I'd appreciate someone giving advice, even if it was right away. Maybe you didn't want help, but how do you know that no one else wanted it? This is honestly the first time I've heard of anyone having a problem with this.

I've had a problem many years ago with someone not explaining a boss battle to me on a dungeon when it first came out. We wiped repeatedly and instead of explaining what to do, they just kicked me without a word. I would rather have help than have that happen again.

[Bukachu]

really hate when someone's trying to help me and explain how fight works when I have no idea about it.. such a vile behavior smh my head my desk

[Lucky_CJ]

Personally, a lot of the enjoyment I get from this game is seeing new or remixed mechanics or fights I've never seen before and the spectacle of a boss whipping out some super power move I've never seen before.

The requirement to watch a guide, and spoil the entire fight to join most PF parties for any Extreme or Savage content is a huge turn off. Still though, even when I do make a PF specifically for a blind run, I still occasionally get people who feel the need to explain the entire fight in great detail, even mechanics the party hasn't seen, when no one else has asked for it.
I don't think I would ever block because of it, but I might be annoyed and vote abandon.

If I'm joining the DF for new content though? Its hard to say. I've so far been lucky enough to not experience this but I don't doubt that if it happened to me I would feel like the person explaining mechanics was sapping a lot of the fun away from me, well intentioned or not.

Still, the content isn't even 24 Hours old, and if that is too old to be considered for blind runs, I guess I just genuinely don't understand what others find enjoyable about this game.

[Atma]

Personally, a lot of the enjoyment I get from this game is seeing new or remixed mechanics or fights I've never seen before and the spectacle of a boss whipping out some super power move I've never seen before.

I view this as all well and good - When it's only killing the person in question who wishes to experience the content blind.

When the event in question causes the party to wipe, then we have a different situation in play. Now it is the actions/desires of 1 person directly preventing/blocking 7 other people from progressing because they want to "learn every mechanic" blind.

There's a delicate balancing act at play behind 1 person's desire to do content blind and their fellow party members desire to complete the content. And when weighed in the balance, simply put 7 > 1. It feels to me that if this is your ultimate desire, the better solution is to put together a group of 7 accomodating friends/relations from your FC or even in party finder and form up with the express, written desire for no one to help anyone with mechanics, rather than getting irate at people who enter the encounter using the duty finder with the expectation they will complete the content in a reasonable period of time. I personally won't queue for things when I can't absorb a wipe or two, but expecting me to absorb 5-6 wipes for your own personal edification is a bit much.

[hagare]

It's day 1 content people! GDI!

[Atma]

It's day 1 content people! GDI!

Meh that excuses causing 1 wipe. Maybe 2. If you've caused a 3rd wipe - at that point I'm assuming you need help and are just too embarrassed to ask for it.