Possible blacklist addition

[TaleraRistain]

I get what you are saying, but at the same time, what you get in DF is what you get. The only 100% way to ensure you get what you want would be to form a PF group indicating exactly what the group is. I realize the patch is new, so your chances of getting someone who has already done the fight increases as the day goes on, but I'm failing to see exactly what rule was broken in them giving out fight info.

Someone doesn't have to break a rule to get added to someone's blacklist. Sometimes it's just that said person doesn't want to see anything from them. I'd just like to see them add waymarks since there's no way to avoid those currently. So this way we can be proactive about preserving our experience.

And Misplaced_Marbles, it's Day One. People just want a fair chance at figuring things out. Nobody asked for a dorito.

[Menriq]

Someone doesn't have to break a rule to get added to someone's blacklist. Sometimes it's just that said person doesn't want to see anything from them. I'd just like to see them add waymarks since there's no way to avoid those currently. So this way we can be proactive about preserving our experience.

And Misplaced_Marbles, it's Day One. People just want a fair chance at figuring things out. Nobody asked for a dorito.

Oh you adding them to your blacklist is not up for debate. You are entitled to add whomever you want to that list. Just so we are clear, I'm not one to offer strats unless someone asks. That is why I've wiped a few times in the new dungeon / trial so that people can see it for themselves. However, since DF is whatever you get (Good, bad, whatever), I'm of the opinion that you are at the mercy of whatever happens. Again, the only way to almost ensure you get what you wanted was to create a PF with what you were doing. Is it ideal? Probably not. However, it would be up to each person to decide if it matters that much to them, or if they are willing to take the risk of someone "spoiling" something. I'm not sure why they didn't, but I think a perfectly viable alternative would have been to allow it to be done with trusts.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm not sure why they didn't, but I think a perfectly viable alternative would have been to allow it to be done with trusts.

After Mothercrystal and having it be in MSQ, I was surprised they didn't. That's really the ultimate solution. I'm curious if they will go back and revamp this, since I believe they said the final goal is for the entire MSQ to be able to be done solo, but they weren't focusing on 8-man raid revamps first. When I heard it was going to be connected to MSQ, I considered it might be a 4-man with Duty Support.

Until they can do that, this would at least be a small band-aid fix. Alternatively, just allow them to be turned off entirely in options. Or crazy insane out there idea, only enable them for premade groups, lol. That would make some Alliance Roulette raids rather spicy.

[Bukachu]

really hate when someone's trying to help me and explain how fight works when I have no idea about it.. such a vile behavior smh my head my desk

[Lucky_CJ]

Personally, a lot of the enjoyment I get from this game is seeing new or remixed mechanics or fights I've never seen before and the spectacle of a boss whipping out some super power move I've never seen before.

The requirement to watch a guide, and spoil the entire fight to join most PF parties for any Extreme or Savage content is a huge turn off. Still though, even when I do make a PF specifically for a blind run, I still occasionally get people who feel the need to explain the entire fight in great detail, even mechanics the party hasn't seen, when no one else has asked for it.
I don't think I would ever block because of it, but I might be annoyed and vote abandon.

If I'm joining the DF for new content though? Its hard to say. I've so far been lucky enough to not experience this but I don't doubt that if it happened to me I would feel like the person explaining mechanics was sapping a lot of the fun away from me, well intentioned or not.

Still, the content isn't even 24 Hours old, and if that is too old to be considered for blind runs, I guess I just genuinely don't understand what others find enjoyable about this game.

[Atma]

Personally, a lot of the enjoyment I get from this game is seeing new or remixed mechanics or fights I've never seen before and the spectacle of a boss whipping out some super power move I've never seen before.

I view this as all well and good - When it's only killing the person in question who wishes to experience the content blind.

When the event in question causes the party to wipe, then we have a different situation in play. Now it is the actions/desires of 1 person directly preventing/blocking 7 other people from progressing because they want to "learn every mechanic" blind.

There's a delicate balancing act at play behind 1 person's desire to do content blind and their fellow party members desire to complete the content. And when weighed in the balance, simply put 7 > 1. It feels to me that if this is your ultimate desire, the better solution is to put together a group of 7 accomodating friends/relations from your FC or even in party finder and form up with the express, written desire for no one to help anyone with mechanics, rather than getting irate at people who enter the encounter using the duty finder with the expectation they will complete the content in a reasonable period of time. I personally won't queue for things when I can't absorb a wipe or two, but expecting me to absorb 5-6 wipes for your own personal edification is a bit much.

[TaleraRistain]

Still, the content isn't even 24 Hours old, and if that is too old to be considered for blind runs, I guess I just genuinely don't understand what others find enjoyable about this game.

This was after 6 hours, with like 6 new people in the party and a single wipe. The problem is that now anyone who just followed this person will learn nothing about this fight. They won't understand where the tells are coming from or be able to learn anything by example. This person barked orders about one mechanic and then harangued the party if someone missed it, and didn't bother explaining why they dragged everyone to any spot they went to. There's nothing helpful about this sort of attitude. It's someone impatient that only cares about their own run and not whether the rest of the party enjoys it or will retain anything for their next try. And the point you made about PF is exactly right. Even posting something as a blind run isn't going to stop people from doing this.

[hagare]

It's day 1 content people! GDI!

[Atma]

It's day 1 content people! GDI!

Meh that excuses causing 1 wipe. Maybe 2. If you've caused a 3rd wipe - at that point I'm assuming you need help and are just too embarrassed to ask for it.

[Reinha]

Bookmarking this thread for the next time someone whines about silent mentors.