SAM is dead

[RyuuZero]

Can you at least make the slightest effort to actually reply to my points?
Gurren was the big Kenki spender in SB, it serverd the same purpose as Senei. It's absolutely the same, except we now have two buttons and a nerfed Gurren.
Gurren is not Geirskogul. The latter is almost always used on CD and serves a very different purpose : entering life of the dragon. Before that it was wa spender that would reduce your Blood of the Dragon timer.

They could simply revert Gurren to its original state, that would not make Sam a dragoon.

Your only argument is that "it's an attack in a line", which is extremely weak.

And all this non sense to say what ? "Noo I don't like your proposed Sam changes to address the buitton bloat". Change your tune a bit, it's completely off.

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

[Deithwen]

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

Then you argue that Samurai was like dragoon in SB ?

[RyuuZero]

Then you argue that Samurai was like dragoon in SB ?

xDD no, though.. I'd say SB was still Honeymoon for Samurai and it felt good to play (even though I disliked the Notion of Hagakure over Midare), I'd say they were similar skills and back then I didn't predict Senei and we didn't know the direction Samurai will take in regards of Skill additions, after Shadowbringers it becomes more clear^^
but I can't really remember how DRG played in SB..
I'll admit I'd had good laugh with that question^^

[Deithwen]

xDD no, though.. I'd say SB was still Honeymoon for Samurai and it felt good to play (even though I disliked the Notion of Hagakure over Midare), I'd say they were similar skills and back then I didn't predict Senei and we didn't know the direction Samurai will take in regards of Skill additions, after Shadowbringers it becomes more clear^^
but I can't really remember how DRG played in SB..
I'll admit I'd had good laugh with that question^^

Then how reverting Gurren to what it was will make Sam be like Dragoon then ?
Also it was not a question, but merely a remark. It is quite clear your stance is very bold to hold, because it's not grounded.

[RyuuZero]

Then how reverting Gurren to what it was will make Sam be like Dragoon then ?
Also it was not a question, but merely a remark. It is quite clear your stance is very bold to hold, because it's not grounded.

reverting Guren would mean to disregard the Evolution that the Samurai had up to this point, getting rid of Senei would open the floodgates of getting rid of Shoha and suddenly we have no Single Target Option to this stuff, just like the Dragoon.
my Stance is that Endwalker Launch Samurai up to 6.08 was Great, do you oppose this opinion?

[Deithwen]

reverting Guren would mean to disregard the Evolution that the Samurai had up to this point, getting rid of Senei would open the floodgates of getting rid of Shoha and suddenly we have no Single Target Option to this stuff, just like the Dragoon.
my Stance is that Endwalker Launch Samurai up to 6.08 was Great, do you oppose this opinion?

Then Samurai won't be like Dragoon. Because it never was in the first place. Adding Senei and Shoha 2 did not make it "not like Dragoon" either. Just stop with this. You can prefer how sam was in 6.08, but it's your personal opinion only (with the credentials associated). Saying "it wil lbe like Dragoon" only makes you look silly.

I would also add that 6.08 Samurai was decent, but not the best iteration we had. Still ages better than what we have now though.

[Deithwen]

Is it though? the Kenki Spender Arguement while true can be disregarded through Ikishoten.. in my opinion, since Ikishoten and Guren share the 2minute cool down
practically you have no Kenki, you press Ikishoten and follow up with Guren (or Senei, in single Target Situations)

the "Devlievers an attack.."-Texts aren't an arguement, they are copied texts from the Job Guide ^^

you guys are just flailing around without having a firm understanding of what your suggested change have for consequences to the Feel of the Job, You loved Samurai before 6.1, right? So do I, but again Kaiten wasn't the only thing that gave the Samurai it's Identity. Your Suggestions of merging skills other is in my opinion concerning, since I look at other Jobs (mainly Dragoon) and see what you're suggesting.. of course I ask "So you want it to be like Dragoon?", and as a Samurai Player of course I oppose this stance.

Also being called out for not having a firm grasp of a job I mained for years since its released and pushed to the max is quite rich coming from you. What are your credentials in the game to say such things ?