SAM is dead

[xAFROx]

okay.. let's take a Look at Guren:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 500 for the first enemy, and 25% less for all remaining enemies.

okay, let's look at Geirskogul:
Delivers an attack to all enemies in a straight line before you with a potency of 260 for the first enemy, and 30% less for all remaining enemies.

to be fair the potencies, fall off and cool down varies. but outside of that it's the same skill! The Catch is that Guren shares the cool down with Senei as Single Target alternative, a thing that the Dragoon doesn't have! You really want to take this Uniqueness Away from Samurai? to be honest, it's the thing with Shoha. Shoha II is your AoE Option to utilize in AoE Situations.. or are you one of those Players who Single Target Combo in Trash mobs?

I really don't get why you're so obsessed every time someone suggests clearing away the redundancy in a kit. Calm down. Back before shoha 2 existed, we would do tenka goken, shoha 1 the targeted mob, and then keep doing aoe. And in a boss fight, we would use higanbana and midare, then shoha 1 when that was up. Same goes for Guren. Yes, senei has higher potency, but that potency could just as easily be baked into Guren's first target hit before the fall-off.

There is still no choice involved, ergo, it doesn't need to exist. Yeah, it's nice, but if the idea is to make things neater, that and tsubame are the first things they should have looked at. But that isn't why kaiten was removed, so calm down.

[RyuuZero]

I really don't get why you're so obsessed every time someone suggests clearing away the redundancy in a kit. Calm down. Back before shoha 2 existed, we would do tenka goken, shoha 1 the targeted mob, and then keep doing aoe. And in a boss fight, we would use higanbana and midare, then shoha 1 when that was up. Same goes for Guren. Yes, senei has higher potency, but that potency could just as easily be baked into Guren's first target hit before the fall-off.

There is still no choice involved, ergo, it doesn't need to exist. Yeah, it's nice, but if the idea is to make things neater, that and tsubame are the first things they should have looked at. But that isn't why kaiten was removed, so calm down.

yeah but isn't clunky and stupid to use a Single Target Skill in an AoE Situation, true back then we only had Shoha 1 but now we have the AoE Alternative.
I'm not obsessed, I just care about Samurai and am able to see why those suggestion will be a change for the worse.
Everyone is talking about how Kaiten is the Identity of the Samurai, but it's not the Only thing that creates the Identity of the Samurai, it also to keep track of your surroundings, which in FFXIV Samurai Gameplay is represented with Single Target and AoE Skills that utilize the same resource. I wouldn't be as mad about suggestions to change or even get rid of Meditation Stacks, true we would lose Shoha 1 and Shoha 2 but let's face it, ppl can't even figure out why they have both skills.. meanwhile I'm happy that I now can utilze the resource (Meditation Stacks) for both Situations (Single Target and AoE)