SAM is dead

[Flashy]

This job is definitely dead to me. I'm gonna join Ransu and retire my SAM jobstone in Kugane and play Black Mage for the first time. I almost let the deafening silence regarding our feedback over the course of 5 months ruin patch 6.2 for me, but I'll just try this job instead

I'm absolute garbage at Black Mage but this job is really fun and..guess what.. PUNISHING. Significantly more punishing than something like learning how to pool 20 kenki for Kaiten or having to walk out of a pack of mobs to cast a cone AOE.. And it's untouched? Wonder why.. But I'm not going to stop playing it and eat crayons while waiting for it to become braindead, I'm gonna learn it. Incredible how that works

[Darkpaw]

I never defended the company nor did i “white knight” the dev team in my post. I admitted that I’ve only recently picked up the job for Endwalker and am leveling it. I even admitted noticing the absence of kaiten and said that more tweaking needed to be done to the job to make up for the changes. Perhaps you should read the post again.

There is a lack of implementing user feedback in the game on some issues. Job adjustments being the obvious one. I do not pretend to be a samurai main or claim to know every intricacy of the job, but i did play it in Stormblood, in Shadowbringers, and now in Endwalker. It is not a dead job but it is a job that still needs something more to make up for what was lost.

Arguments I truly understand are that with the removal of Kaiten kenki is kind of a pointless resource as it only is there for shiten or kyuten spam. That is not engaging and not a good use of a resource.

Kaiten provided an interesting mechanic added to kenki and it has not been replaced, even if Iai is where it was with the kaiten buff. The lack of interaction with the kit Kaiten provided is.. a loss for samurai and needs to be replaced with something or reverted back to.

On another note I never said providing feedback was a bad thing. I simply stated that Samurai are not the only playerbase to have their feedback seemingly ignored. But flooding the forum with thread after thread is already something proven that the dev team doesnt respond to. It’s better to have 1 thread with all the replies then 200 small threads. And not all feedback is going to be adhered to. Understand that these forums are only a small part of the community, the majority do not come here. The dev team like the community knows that.

[Reese_Clairdale]

flooding the forum with thread after thread is already something proven that the dev team doesnt respond to. It’s better to have 1 thread with all the replies then 200 small threads.

Normally I would agree with this, but SE invited this chaos themselves by explicitly asking for feedback in the same live letter that these controversial changes were unveiled, as if they already knew they were horrible ideas. It's only natural that there was going to be a flood of new accounts created by upset SAM players who were also unaware of the forum's etiquette. Aside from this, the Japanese forum has in fact kept the majority of their feedback in a single thread, and SE has not deigned to answer them either, despite the general perception that only feedback in the Japanese forum is listened to.

[Quor]

But flooding the forum with thread after thread is already something proven that the dev team doesnt respond to. It’s better to have 1 thread with all the replies then 200 small threads.

Categorically untrue. The entire revival of FF14 from 1.0 into 2.0 and onward came about because of the relentless feedback that players gave to SE starting with 1.0 beta phase 1 on up until 2.0 was released. Tens of thousands of posts across thousands of threads worth of feedback.

As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And if it doesn't then the whole damn thing breaks down.

[CienFleur]

Yoshida did ask for feedback yes, so we give it.
And my dear sir, you are a troll. Please return to your cave.
What you are doing is called a false dichotomy.

Also please learn about punctuation.

What a ridiculous piece of talking flesh you are.

So Bitter & Angry... I Like It, More Salt Please

[BaconBits]

This job is definitely dead to me. I'm gonna join Ransu and retire my SAM jobstone in Kugane and play Black Mage for the first time. I almost let the deafening silence regarding our feedback over the course of 5 months ruin patch 6.2 for me, but I'll just try this job instead

I'm absolute garbage at Black Mage but this job is really fun and..guess what.. PUNISHING. Significantly more punishing than something like learning how to pool 20 kenki for Kaiten or having to walk out of a pack of mobs to cast a cone AOE.. And it's untouched? Wonder why.. But I'm not going to stop playing it and eat crayons while waiting for it to become braindead, I'm gonna learn it. Incredible how that works

[Flashy]

So Bitter & Angry... I Like It, More Salt Please

Looking at the origin of this conversation, I think it's a fair reaction from Deithwen when you are over here saying some dumb shit like we can't get upset over random job changes because there are worse problems in the world

[Avoidy]

Square inviting feedback to a forum they haven't responded to in 6 years, and people taking them seriously and not seeing the irony in it. Sad.
Saying this as someone who played AST before they tore it apart, and plays healers in general and watches SE make them dumber with each update. "We welcome feedback" is corporate lip service. If they actually bring back Kaiten because of some angry forum posts (when in game the job is currently blowing up because it's easy to play and top dps again, thus appealing to most of the game's players who just want to mash buttons and feel superior) then I'll eat my AST hat and proceed to blow up the healer forums with angry AST posts in the same way that SAM did to the DPS forum.
Good luck, but yeah. Maybe don't wait around for change. Sorry.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Still got fingers crossed they bring Kaiten back so I can enjoy Sam again.

[CelestiCer]

Still got fingers crossed they bring Kaiten back so I can enjoy Sam again.

Can't blame anyone for wishing what we truly enjoyed about Sam. Though Best to temper expectations.

Due to the recent 6.2 patch changes, Samurai seems to be as of now the Nr1 top performing rDPS / aDPS / nDPS Job, of which our feedback wasn't even about. It was about the Lost Gameplay due to everything that patch 6.1 did to Samurai

• Kaiten removal
• Kenki Gauge is Shinten/Kyuten Spam
• Tenka Goken Shape changed to Circle
• Auto-Crits with anti Synergy

Now, the sad reality is that we perform astronomically well with Raid-buffs due to the changes. Fellow raiders gushing about the performances of Samurai on FFLogs, leaving their old jobs behind to flock to Samurai purely to ride the Meta. It's the vibe I sense in nearly every Linkshell and every Voicechat.

• Samurai Great! Nr1! Omg!
• Samurai Flawless!
• Samurai Top DPS!
• Samurai's complain ever why? don't you like the changes!?

Neglecting the vey reasons why so many loved Samurai

Just shut-up look at the " percentage we worship! "... It's genuinely sad... and even more sad is that players who for whatever reasons don't want Samurai to succeed? will take our Feedback thinking we're demanding more Damage with Kaiten...

When we wanted our damage to feel rewarding to achieve, satisfying to execute, requiring a little more thought then just Shinten spamming... What you gone do right? we're Actually Top performing now. Like well played SE, and even a proper response to the feedback they requested they shrugged under the rug.