SAM is dead

[Quor]

It actually got buffed. It's not dead whatsoever. People just being overly dramatic on the forums like always.

What is so hard to understand that this has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with the feel of the job?

[Deithwen]

What is so hard to understand that this has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with the feel of the job?

How dare we expect decent gameplay in a video game?!
Only numbers count!
new job: one button, 100k hit per press, auto crit, why don't you like it ?

[Jaquan]

How dare we expect decent gameplay in a video game?!
Only numbers count!
new job: one button, 100k hit per press, auto crit, why don't you like it ?

Hyperbole aside you do realize that fun and feel are subjective? What's fun to you may not br fun to others. What stands for the main feel of the job may not be the same for others. Didn't have a chance to use Kaiten as I got the full game after 6.1 dropped. In fact for the ling time I did not touch SAM out of both respect for the SAM players prior me and due to opinion of being ruined. I ultimately did and... I kinda like it. Building up to the Iai feels fun on top of weaving between positionals and learning the right opportunity to use the finisher. Would my opinion be different if I had a chance to try SAM before Kaiten removal? Maybe. Maybe not. Would it matter? Probably not since even then it's just my subjective opinions and feelings.

[Deithwen]

Hyperbole aside you do realize that fun and feel are subjective? What's fun to you may not br fun to others. What stands for the main feel of the job may not be the same for others. Didn't have a chance to use Kaiten as I got the full game after 6.1 dropped. In fact for the ling time I did not touch SAM out of both respect for the SAM players prior me and due to opinion of being ruined. I ultimately did and... I kinda like it. Building up to the Iai feels fun on top of weaving between positionals and learning the right opportunity to use the finisher. Would my opinion be different if I had a chance to try SAM before Kaiten removal? Maybe. Maybe not. Would it matter? Probably not since even then it's just my subjective opinions and feelings.

Remove something fun for many and see how it's improving their subjective appreciation of "fun".
Subjective does not mean it's not measurable in any way. Removing complexity from a job no one wanted dumbed down is not smart.

And please, your complete uneducated opinion on the matter only makes your look condescending. You could not even get the kenki generation right.

I am really fed up of these people using the "it's subjective" argument. It's the abyss of intelligence. As an example ,humour appreciation is subjective, yet it can be rationalized and so can gameplay. Please don't dumb down the debate.

[Randommob]

I just wanna add something. I understand that you like how sam play right? Building up for big finisher. In term of number, the number is way lower compared to 6.08 sam. In term of style/feel, SE literally just fk with all Sam players' muscle memory as well as the flow of the job. Kaiten is meant to be pressed before every iai, boost dmg in term of number while showing off that you are about to do big dmg. It works so well and they decide to gut it. No Sam players asked for the change yet it still came. Yoshi demanded feedback, all Sam gave feedback. In the end, what do they get? not a thing, no confirmation of reverting or not, hell feel like all sam players are non existent. In patch note, under DRG, "due to player feedback" yet under Sam, "F u, we dont even care, here your aoe buff, take it and go; no one care"
Edit: Still new to forum, sorry about the way i posted