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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    A callout I assume without backing is lazy and useless.
    I can quite literally link you any graph and make any claim I want if I also don't include the navigation for you to get there.

    In other words, it's basic information sharing to include the source for others to look into it directly, instead of blindly believing it.

    Thank you.

    Edit: I'll be providing you an example, for instance, just give me a few minutes to comb through things.



    So far example, here we have a direct refutation to the idea that Reaper was the Top DPS. Certainly good, mind, but not the best. That seems to go to Monk. As you can see, I've included the timeline at the bottom so you can look at the various dates where patches dropped and you can directly see its result in the following weeks.

    What is perhaps most interesting is that monk's buff was quite minor but it still rockets ahead of Reaper, by an inordinate amount. There's a few ways to explain this, but it's primarily the fact that the Crit meta favors classes who can stack all of their potency into the crit windows, and when it comes to "RDPS", the Reaper's party buff is fairly weak so as the party improves, its own relative improvement isn't that great. Combine this with the fact that Monk has stupid crit scaling and it's fairly obvious why the Monk, with barely any changes, sees a similar divide between itself and Reaper that the other classes require significant buffing to achieve.

    That said, do you know why you shouldn't believe this?

    It's because I haven't provided you headers. You don't know what this encounter is, and therefore would be hardpressed to to bring up the data to look for it yourself. Even if you did luck into the same graph, there's alsways the plausible explanation that they just look similar and aren't one and the same.

    Here's the full graph with easily read and searchable headings.



    Now you see it's only a singular encounter, not an aggregate, but singular encounters tell us more about what encounters favor what class. Glancing at the other encounters doesn't play much in Reaper's favor either, nor does its fall from grace be explained when some of the jobs soaring past it are ones who received feather light touches.

    Were I to venture a guess, you had more proficient people playing Reaper to learn it prior to the raids coming out, inflating how it looked compared to the rest of the jobs, especially jobs who need more practice in a particular encounter in order to start hitting their stride. That isn't to say Reaper was bad, just that it rightfully had the majority of the focus.

    It is a prog friendly job.

    Things have settled out now and while other jobs certainly need a looking at before them, we could probably toss another 100-200 potency onto Communio and things would be fine, but we should really wait for a few more weeks of data, just that referencing the 6.1 patch standings, there's room for them to wiggle up.

    Edit2: Adding a few more observations

    As player capability improves, the Reaper's lead shrinks significantly prior to the savage patch, which again leads to the assumption that the Reaper had a focus on it for those looking to learn and optimize early, and then as that focus shifted out to other jobs, the lead it has shrinks. Monk and Black Mage would have eclipsed Reaper with no adjustments.
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    Last edited by Kabooa; 09-02-2022 at 02:56 AM.