Reaper needs additional buffs.

[Naoki34]

The Hot is tiny and will not be replacing any heal from your healer, in rare cases you might find it was useful that you popped it, in most cases it is just overheal. 3% dps is quite a small raid buff, mnk is 5% on brotherhood, ninja's mug is 5%. Yet the two jobs with a better raid buff (and mnk mantra imo is better than arcane crest) do a good chunk more damage than a reaper. They have a better raid buff, one has better party utility and they both outperform the rpr. It is not fine. The reaper was advertised as selfish like a sam. We have the more "selfish" style and lack the dmg meant to justify it. I would rather have no raid buff at all but I understand they probably didn't want reaper to compete directly with samurai as a pure dps. I am content doing less than a samurai, I am not happy that if you hid the job names and just looked at ff logs graph you would think reaper is a caster.

And you do realise that debuff is 10% damage for us alone right??

I didn't know, my bad, it must be said that the French translation is not very clear in this respect. I had reread it several times. On second thoughts it's more obvious.

And I never said he was a healer. It's like the DNC heal, it's a little HoT. This isn't ESO either.

[ZiraZ]

Every melee has options for moving around, each have their own pro/con, and who honestly cares about a 1-2-3 potency? Other melee also have their own personal mits such as third eye, riddle of earth, shade shift. Superior ranged atk? Our ranged atk requires the movement ability be used else it is a cast unlike other jobs instant use ability, harvest moon you get one use out of unless there is prolonged downtime.

Frankly you sound salty. Every melee has options, mnk being the exception with no ranged atk. And under no circumstance will you EVER be using arcane crest's heal instead of a healer's ogcd heal. The healing it gives is a meme and very very rarely does it feel impactful. It's a 10% mit that also happens to have a heal attached similar to summon's pheonix having a heal that they don't give a crap about. If I could cherry pick I would take a ninja point and click mobility over rpr's set distance leap, to ME ninja's mobility is superior as you have more choice with it as well as 2x charges. As a healer I would rather have a monk mantra to help me than a reaper's arcane crest. And people love a dragoon for it's crit buff alone. Does not seem to me like the other melee are lacking vs rpr.

It's balance on release is irrelevant, they buffed everything above it. It shouldn't have been top, it should not be buffed to be the top. No reaper I know is asking to be the top dps. We are asking to not be so far behind in dps when our job is supposed to be selfish similar to a samurai as Yoshi P said in the live letter pre release. That is what they intended and it is NOT what we have currently. RPR should be a bit below a samurai not dead last trailing a job that gives superior raid buffs.

Also just because YOU think it's in a good spot does not mean SE agrees, they just buffed it so it clearly wasn't good enough and now it's on live servers and they can see performance or lack thereof they will likely add some further buffs. The issue is they take months to do simple potency changes at the best of times. They could think RPR needs work and we wont know for quite some time. The second any buffs for the job comes out you are proved wrong.

You are a non reaper main who for SOME reason (I wonder what) just wants reaper to feel worse? Is other people being happy with their job so horrible sounding to you? Is it an ego thing you don't want to have to actually compete in dps with them or what?? What exactly would the issue be for you?

I don't agree with any of that, reaper seems perfectly balanced right now.

[CelestiCer]

RPR never was the highest job in terms of rDPS

This is False.

RPR/MNK were clearly the best melee until 6.08 or whenever all melee except RPR were buffed
Personally as a SAM player at the time, I didn't care much because I was still learning the new rotation but it was a little annoying since RPR had a raid buff and outperformed SAM even in aDPS if I recall correctly

So to set the record straight as of December 17 - 2021, here's the RDPS chart and lets recall it correctly RPR was released December 3rd



Now if you go back to FFlogs " now " you will see patch 6.0 / 6.1 and 6.2 but you won't exactly see 6.01 or 6.05 or 6.08 ( rip Kaiten ) and during the period where everyone was on the RPR meta, be it short lived, the Balance Discord blew up with overwhelming RDPS Charts. You can still view them if you wish. So it's false to say Reaper never was at the top.

There were plenty Samurai's malding over this, this is true. Cause why take a Samurai into your raid? when you can get a top performing RDPS RPR, while providing Raidbuffs? and any other Melee brings something else well? it makes no sense to have a Samurai, just have RPR + another melee with Raidbuffs. I had no issues finding parties though, that was a period where I was part of a Static.

But, my main issue isn't even about who's top ranked. It's the promise that SE promised that RPR was supposedly going to be a bit more on the Selfish side if people still recalled this. That shoulda been their identity then by SE's definition. And by current standards if you look now at the graphs... you be the judge if SE actually came through with that.

For the balance of the game?
RPR probably doesn't need a buff. And probably no other Job needs a buff either it's all perfect. For player satisfaction? I guess that's a different issue. Look at me? I am top Job and I am not happy with how shallow they made my Job from my opinion. It's top... its shallow though...

And if SE thinks this is balanced? that's kinda it. If you think this isn't fair? just voice it. However it was not true that RPR never was at the top. The patch however was very short lived when RPR stayed at the top.

[Kabooa]

This is False.




So to set the record straight as of December 17 - 2021, here's the RDPS chart and lets recall it correctly RPR was released December 3rd

A graph without headings is useless.

Include those, if you don't mind.

[Atmaweapon510]

FFlogs seems a bit wonky right now. If you look at the current raid tier as a whole, it looks like Reaper is quite a bit behind (5% behind the top, a little over 3% behind the melee over it), but when you look at it on a fight by fight basis, Reaper only ever seems to be behind the top dps by about 2% and is .5% behind the melee above it, which happens to be NIN which everyone is complaining is OP (which really was mostly just DSR being conducive to burst windows).

Also in all these cases, Reaper adps and ndps is either 3rd or 4th out of all 11 dps classes, so yeah it's plenty selfish enough, it's just that Arcane Circle and Circle of Sacrifice stacks throw off the perception of being selfish. For reference when it comes to Circle of sacrifice, assuming no one but yourself triggers it, you lose 245 potency every 2 minutes, less than one Weaponskill. A SAM that triggers Third Eye 3 times out of 8 possible casts gets more dps in that 2 minute window from something entirely reliant on fight design.

[CelestiCer]

A graph without headings is useless.

Include those, if you don't mind.

A callout I assume without backing is lazy and useless. I'll include the link to the " https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv " you can CTRL+F search function the discord for the sources.

But to just be sure here it is



and you can read at the top left rDPS was selected


Now to really make sure you're not calling me out on BS cause of the coloring, here's the conversation which again you can CTRL+F which you won't do cause that's evidence with sources come on now that's lazy, which also is littered with a lot and I do mean a ton... of conversations about the same topic of RPR top RDPS yes in that period with dates even and with more screenshots...




Apparently they were testing Chrome backlight settings compared to dark-mode. I prefer dark mode and that's the one I posted so apologies for not Including a hard to find source that you can not just Google search to FFlogs and find it. But! Lazy callouts is the name of the game, so we can go even further! and go to the


" FFXIV-PatchArchive " in it stating that in 6.05 Reaper got nerfed by Patch 6.05
" Arcane Crest's cure potency from the Crest of Time Returned effect has been reduced from 100 to 50. "

Huh, which honestly doesn't explain why Reaper got out performed during this period. What gives? Well if you read the next patches... it seems factually true that Reaper performance remained the same, while nearly every over Job got buffed beyond Reaper that made Reaper look weak cause in comparison it got outranked.

Unless you want to question the FFXIV Patchnotes as uncreditable sources.

Here I put " Patchnotes " in size 4 headings. Want anything else in headings =__= ;?

[MagiusNecros]

Judging by the logs Reaper did indeed get nerfed. Reapers DPS values weren't touched but other job classes values got bigger. And since those values overshadowed Reaper numbers, as a result Reaper gets played less in favor of you guessed it higher DPS.

Very much a case of "We didn't nerf Reaper but we buffed a lot of other folks to do better then Reaper".

[Kabooa]

A callout I assume without backing is lazy and useless.

I can quite literally link you any graph and make any claim I want if I also don't include the navigation for you to get there.

In other words, it's basic information sharing to include the source for others to look into it directly, instead of blindly believing it.

Thank you.

Edit: I'll be providing you an example, for instance, just give me a few minutes to comb through things.



So far example, here we have a direct refutation to the idea that Reaper was the Top DPS. Certainly good, mind, but not the best. That seems to go to Monk. As you can see, I've included the timeline at the bottom so you can look at the various dates where patches dropped and you can directly see its result in the following weeks.

What is perhaps most interesting is that monk's buff was quite minor but it still rockets ahead of Reaper, by an inordinate amount. There's a few ways to explain this, but it's primarily the fact that the Crit meta favors classes who can stack all of their potency into the crit windows, and when it comes to "RDPS", the Reaper's party buff is fairly weak so as the party improves, its own relative improvement isn't that great. Combine this with the fact that Monk has stupid crit scaling and it's fairly obvious why the Monk, with barely any changes, sees a similar divide between itself and Reaper that the other classes require significant buffing to achieve.

That said, do you know why you shouldn't believe this?

It's because I haven't provided you headers. You don't know what this encounter is, and therefore would be hardpressed to to bring up the data to look for it yourself. Even if you did luck into the same graph, there's alsways the plausible explanation that they just look similar and aren't one and the same.

Here's the full graph with easily read and searchable headings.



Now you see it's only a singular encounter, not an aggregate, but singular encounters tell us more about what encounters favor what class. Glancing at the other encounters doesn't play much in Reaper's favor either, nor does its fall from grace be explained when some of the jobs soaring past it are ones who received feather light touches.

Were I to venture a guess, you had more proficient people playing Reaper to learn it prior to the raids coming out, inflating how it looked compared to the rest of the jobs, especially jobs who need more practice in a particular encounter in order to start hitting their stride. That isn't to say Reaper was bad, just that it rightfully had the majority of the focus.

It is a prog friendly job.

Things have settled out now and while other jobs certainly need a looking at before them, we could probably toss another 100-200 potency onto Communio and things would be fine, but we should really wait for a few more weeks of data, just that referencing the 6.1 patch standings, there's room for them to wiggle up.

Edit2: Adding a few more observations

As player capability improves, the Reaper's lead shrinks significantly prior to the savage patch, which again leads to the assumption that the Reaper had a focus on it for those looking to learn and optimize early, and then as that focus shifted out to other jobs, the lead it has shrinks. Monk and Black Mage would have eclipsed Reaper with no adjustments.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I didn't know, my bad, it must be said that the French translation is not very clear in this respect. I had reread it several times. On second thoughts it's more obvious.

And I never said he was a healer. It's like the DNC heal, it's a little HoT. This isn't ESO either.

No worries, even the english has a couple words missing in it actually. They need to fix that. If that 10% was a permanent party buff reaper would be giga broken.

I do think the DNC heal is a stronger potency, esp if it's stacked. Honestly the point myself and others wanna make is reaper is meant to be selfish, it has the smaller raid buff it has the weaker utility and it does not have the damage it should given these things. It's annoying. And as we have seen in the current savage this small dps difference matters. Xeno had to swap off his warrior, arthurs pally had to swap as well.

It's significant enough that people WILL exclude a reaper in favour of other melee. Esp pf's whose leaders know they need a carry. I have seen them already do that to mch on extreme and savage farm.

[grinkdaboy]

my only beef with reaper is that it is possible to overwrite gluttony/gibbet/gallow/soul reaver stacks.

why?