Reaper needs additional buffs.

[Lyth]

RPR never was the highest job in terms of rDPS. SAM was top at launch, with BLM in second place. Even still, there were a sizable number of SAM players who complained about not having enough of a rDPS advantage over RPR to justify the difference in 'complexity' or 'utility'. Square responded by nerfing our singular utility action and by nerfing SAM and a few other jobs' "complexity". Again, the comparisons between SAM players and 4.x WAR players are most apt. It's one reason why you should never let a single job sit at the top for too long.

And yet we still see such individuals coming in here trying to drag us down. Misery truly loves company.

[CelestiCer]

RPR never was the highest job in terms of rDPS

This is False.

RPR/MNK were clearly the best melee until 6.08 or whenever all melee except RPR were buffed
Personally as a SAM player at the time, I didn't care much because I was still learning the new rotation but it was a little annoying since RPR had a raid buff and outperformed SAM even in aDPS if I recall correctly

So to set the record straight as of December 17 - 2021, here's the RDPS chart and lets recall it correctly RPR was released December 3rd



Now if you go back to FFlogs " now " you will see patch 6.0 / 6.1 and 6.2 but you won't exactly see 6.01 or 6.05 or 6.08 ( rip Kaiten ) and during the period where everyone was on the RPR meta, be it short lived, the Balance Discord blew up with overwhelming RDPS Charts. You can still view them if you wish. So it's false to say Reaper never was at the top.

There were plenty Samurai's malding over this, this is true. Cause why take a Samurai into your raid? when you can get a top performing RDPS RPR, while providing Raidbuffs? and any other Melee brings something else well? it makes no sense to have a Samurai, just have RPR + another melee with Raidbuffs. I had no issues finding parties though, that was a period where I was part of a Static.

But, my main issue isn't even about who's top ranked. It's the promise that SE promised that RPR was supposedly going to be a bit more on the Selfish side if people still recalled this. That shoulda been their identity then by SE's definition. And by current standards if you look now at the graphs... you be the judge if SE actually came through with that.

For the balance of the game?
RPR probably doesn't need a buff. And probably no other Job needs a buff either it's all perfect. For player satisfaction? I guess that's a different issue. Look at me? I am top Job and I am not happy with how shallow they made my Job from my opinion. It's top... its shallow though...

And if SE thinks this is balanced? that's kinda it. If you think this isn't fair? just voice it. However it was not true that RPR never was at the top. The patch however was very short lived when RPR stayed at the top.

[Kabooa]

This is False.




So to set the record straight as of December 17 - 2021, here's the RDPS chart and lets recall it correctly RPR was released December 3rd

A graph without headings is useless.

Include those, if you don't mind.

[CelestiCer]

A graph without headings is useless.

Include those, if you don't mind.

A callout I assume without backing is lazy and useless. I'll include the link to the " https://discord.gg/thebalanceffxiv " you can CTRL+F search function the discord for the sources.

But to just be sure here it is



and you can read at the top left rDPS was selected


Now to really make sure you're not calling me out on BS cause of the coloring, here's the conversation which again you can CTRL+F which you won't do cause that's evidence with sources come on now that's lazy, which also is littered with a lot and I do mean a ton... of conversations about the same topic of RPR top RDPS yes in that period with dates even and with more screenshots...




Apparently they were testing Chrome backlight settings compared to dark-mode. I prefer dark mode and that's the one I posted so apologies for not Including a hard to find source that you can not just Google search to FFlogs and find it. But! Lazy callouts is the name of the game, so we can go even further! and go to the


" FFXIV-PatchArchive " in it stating that in 6.05 Reaper got nerfed by Patch 6.05
" Arcane Crest's cure potency from the Crest of Time Returned effect has been reduced from 100 to 50. "

Huh, which honestly doesn't explain why Reaper got out performed during this period. What gives? Well if you read the next patches... it seems factually true that Reaper performance remained the same, while nearly every over Job got buffed beyond Reaper that made Reaper look weak cause in comparison it got outranked.

Unless you want to question the FFXIV Patchnotes as uncreditable sources.

Here I put " Patchnotes " in size 4 headings. Want anything else in headings =__= ;?

[Kabooa]

A callout I assume without backing is lazy and useless.

I can quite literally link you any graph and make any claim I want if I also don't include the navigation for you to get there.

In other words, it's basic information sharing to include the source for others to look into it directly, instead of blindly believing it.

Thank you.

Edit: I'll be providing you an example, for instance, just give me a few minutes to comb through things.



So far example, here we have a direct refutation to the idea that Reaper was the Top DPS. Certainly good, mind, but not the best. That seems to go to Monk. As you can see, I've included the timeline at the bottom so you can look at the various dates where patches dropped and you can directly see its result in the following weeks.

What is perhaps most interesting is that monk's buff was quite minor but it still rockets ahead of Reaper, by an inordinate amount. There's a few ways to explain this, but it's primarily the fact that the Crit meta favors classes who can stack all of their potency into the crit windows, and when it comes to "RDPS", the Reaper's party buff is fairly weak so as the party improves, its own relative improvement isn't that great. Combine this with the fact that Monk has stupid crit scaling and it's fairly obvious why the Monk, with barely any changes, sees a similar divide between itself and Reaper that the other classes require significant buffing to achieve.

That said, do you know why you shouldn't believe this?

It's because I haven't provided you headers. You don't know what this encounter is, and therefore would be hardpressed to to bring up the data to look for it yourself. Even if you did luck into the same graph, there's alsways the plausible explanation that they just look similar and aren't one and the same.

Here's the full graph with easily read and searchable headings.



Now you see it's only a singular encounter, not an aggregate, but singular encounters tell us more about what encounters favor what class. Glancing at the other encounters doesn't play much in Reaper's favor either, nor does its fall from grace be explained when some of the jobs soaring past it are ones who received feather light touches.

Were I to venture a guess, you had more proficient people playing Reaper to learn it prior to the raids coming out, inflating how it looked compared to the rest of the jobs, especially jobs who need more practice in a particular encounter in order to start hitting their stride. That isn't to say Reaper was bad, just that it rightfully had the majority of the focus.

It is a prog friendly job.

Things have settled out now and while other jobs certainly need a looking at before them, we could probably toss another 100-200 potency onto Communio and things would be fine, but we should really wait for a few more weeks of data, just that referencing the 6.1 patch standings, there's room for them to wiggle up.

Edit2: Adding a few more observations

As player capability improves, the Reaper's lead shrinks significantly prior to the savage patch, which again leads to the assumption that the Reaper had a focus on it for those looking to learn and optimize early, and then as that focus shifted out to other jobs, the lead it has shrinks. Monk and Black Mage would have eclipsed Reaper with no adjustments.

[Lyth]

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It's generally useful to include the encounter under comparison, in addition to the type of data that you're comparing. For example, the discord conversation that you linked was dated as 17/12/2021. Asphodelos was released on 21/12/2021. So what encounter is actually under comparison in your graph? The highest level content available at the time would be one of the two launch Extreme primals. That may have been interesting preliminary information at the time, but it's fairly irrelevant as a measure of job performance in Savage. If you have any early Asphodelos graphs I'd be interested in looking at them, but as far as I remember SAM was on top in there followed by BLM, at least until SAM players started vocally complaining about RPR.