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  1. #1
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    GhostZukin's Avatar
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    Jannus Novus
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    Jenova
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I'm one of those 'barse monkeys', and I'm telling you right now: The job is underpowered, and you are griefing your party by being one. Just 1% off from P8S phase 1 enrage, despite the party playing perfectly? Haha nope, should have bought a 530 DRG weapon! To quote the other game's mantra that the FFXIV devs can relate to: "Bring the player, not the class", is no longer valid. As the late great TotalBiscuit once said, it always turns into, "Bring the class that's best."
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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    Zodiark
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    Monk Lv 100
    i dont know why smn is mentioned so often. its not a job that should do too much dps... blm seems a bit weak though
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    Arvae Lancer
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    Malboro
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    the moment you hit 8 stacks of sacrifice, it should immediately remove the debuff that stops you from using plentiful.
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    Player FireMage's Avatar
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    Firemage Li
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    Gilgamesh
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Meh they should kill raid buffs and the 2 minute burst. Game might evolve if they did.

    The game overall at current endgame has anything but an even playing field. Given you can be a top level MCH and still lose to a Mediocre Monk(Dragon Kick go brr).

    As it should
    Balance isn't all DPS having the same damage threshold. And on that note, Reaper should be the lowest of the melees
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    Last edited by FireMage; 09-11-2022 at 07:46 AM.

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    Caius Megaflare
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    Ragnarok
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Since the 6.2 buff the reaper is already more decent than before and I think the buff is a bit underestimated,
    you have to wait until the players are 'bis' and a few more weeks of log to see what what is the reaper really worth compared to other melee,
    but on some fights the difference in DPS is minimal but not really fair with certains melee DPS, if they increase the DPS of the reaper, the buff will definitely be small.
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    Last edited by remiff; 09-11-2022 at 07:18 AM.

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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    Always interesting to see the recurring arguments used by other dps players to keep RPR in a disadvantaged position.

    You do realize that the rest of you collectively demanded Arcane Crest to be nerfed to a 1/3 of its healing potency, right? Now it's just a 50 potency regen tick. Why would you consider that to be 'defensive utility' when the likes of MNK can bring Mantra, boost all healing actions by 10%, and still reign as top of the rdps pack?

    The only reason why people come in here with these absurd statements is because RPR mains have largely just been keeping quiet, while other jobs have been much more vocal (and aggressive) in their demands. It's only going to get worse from here. It's high time for that to change.
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    Zira Zira
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    Jenova
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    Always interesting to see the recurring arguments used by other dps players to keep RPR in a disadvantaged position.

    You do realize that the rest of you collectively demanded Arcane Crest to be nerfed to a 1/3 of its healing potency, right? Now it's just a 50 potency regen tick. Why would you consider that to be 'defensive utility' when the likes of MNK can bring Mantra, boost all healing actions by 10%, and still reign as top of the rdps pack?

    The only reason why people come in here with these absurd statements is because RPR mains have largely just been keeping quiet, while other jobs have been much more vocal (and aggressive) in their demands. It's only going to get worse from here. It's high time for that to change.
    "disadvantaged"
    last in melee by less than 1% is still king in a sea of non-BLM casters, WAR, PLD and MCH.
    not to mention being last melee is a brand new thing, they were the top rDPS with a healer cooldown before nerf during the 1st savage EW tier, it's not like they have a history of always being last.
    Anyone currently not considering playing reaper because it's the last melee is just a fotm reroller
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    Lyth's Avatar
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    Lythia Norvaine
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiraZ View Post
    ????
    Most of your responses aren't relevant at all to what's being discussed. Why would you compare WAR and PLD to RPR when they don't even share a raid spot? Also, nobody runs four melee.
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    MordecaiGalidonus's Avatar
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    Ulfgeir Valbjorn
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    Ultros
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiraZ View Post
    "disadvantaged"
    last in melee by less than 1% is still king in a sea of non-BLM casters, WAR, PLD and MCH.
    not to mention being last melee is a brand new thing, they were the top rDPS with a healer cooldown before nerf during the 1st savage EW tier, it's not like they have a history of always being last.
    Anyone currently not considering playing reaper because it's the last melee is just a fotm reroller
    What are you talking about? You can look at the 6.0 logs and see that they were at that point the lowest rdps as well... the only nerf they got was to arcane crest. they were the top of rdps at the "Start" because of "FotM". Everyone was playing it in the party over everything else, because it was new a shiny. it literally had like 3x the barses of every other melee at launch on 1st raid tier. if we wanna play this game then how about smn? It has the exact same 3% buff, with HoTs, and a raise, but was the highest rdps outside of blm. same for this tier "atm" highest caster rdps, outside of blm. If you look at the median average rdps from 90%-95% which is where "most" groups will end up with bis outside of optimized raid comps. rpr is between 200-600 rdps lower than all the other melees. You can deny all you want, but rdps is king during prog for clears. can you clear without it? Yes, will you have a harder time? undoubtedly so. defensive utility is nice to have during prog as well, but if you "can" survive a mechanic without it, then rdps once again is king. You can have deniers say rdps isnt as important as Hots, healing increase, etc. but why does every boss have enrage timers? its a "race" against the clock, you either do enough dmg and clear or you don't. no in between when it comes to min. Ilv. are other jobs in need of buffs as well? absolutely, I'm not denying that, but you are missing the forest for the trees. All the underperforming jobs need to be brought up with the others. I have a question for you, "can you say that without a week delay and gear over what we would have normally, that the underperforming jobs would be better, or worse than they are now with less stats compared to the top preforming jobs for prog?" If your answer is yes, then you admit its a problem on all accounts, if you say no, then you are denying the facts based on the data freely available to everyone.
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    Zira Zira
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    Jenova
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MordecaiGalidonus View Post
    What are you talking about? You can look at the 6.0 logs and see that they were at that point the lowest rdps as well... the only nerf they got was to arcane crest. they were the top of rdps at the "Start" because of "FotM". Everyone was playing it in the party over everything else, because it was new a shiny. it literally had like 3x the barses of every other melee at launch on 1st raid tier. if we wanna play this game then how about smn? It has the exact same 3% buff, with HoTs, and a raise, but was the highest rdps outside of blm. same for this tier "atm" highest caster rdps, outside of blm. If you look at the median average rdps from 90%-95% which is where "most" groups will end up with bis outside of optimized raid comps. rpr is between 200-600 rdps lower than all the other melees. You can deny all you want, but rdps is king during prog for clears. can you clear without it? Yes, will you have a harder time? undoubtedly so. defensive utility is nice to have during prog as well, but if you "can" survive a mechanic without it, then rdps once again is king. You can have deniers say rdps isnt as important as Hots, healing increase, etc. but why does every boss have enrage timers? its a "race" against the clock, you either do enough dmg and clear or you don't. no in between when it comes to min. Ilv. are other jobs in need of buffs as well? absolutely, I'm not denying that, but you are missing the forest for the trees. All the underperforming jobs need to be brought up with the others. I have a question for you, "can you say that without a week delay and gear over what we would have normally, that the underperforming jobs would be better, or worse than they are now with less stats compared to the top preforming jobs for prog?" If your answer is yes, then you admit its a problem on all accounts, if you say no, then you are denying the facts based on the data freely available to everyone.
    Reaper was pulling the highest personal dps, higher than sam and blm while having a raid buff, going back to look at 6.0 logs right now means nothing
    reaper was the #1 spot for weeks during savage before every dps in the game got multiple buffs to compensate, they were doing higher selfish dps than samurai and blm while having a raid buff, and then arcane crest got a 100% nerf.
    But anyways, Reaper does not need a buff in any way right now.
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    Last edited by ZiraZ; 09-12-2022 at 06:49 AM.

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