Button bloat and patch balance

[Quyn]

Lets ask the next question. Do most of the players really use the following in their daily fates/dungeon/msq/casual activities?

• Feint
• Meditate
• Legsweep
• Tincture
• TrueNorth
• ThirdEye
• Hagakure

Do they regard most or all essential enough to cast? from what I seen? no.

A lot of Players don't even know TrueNorth exists, god forbid they Feint ever. Nvr Legsweep an AoEing mob for a party member. I even had players ask me " Why use Third Eye? I have a healer "... Makes me wonder what other players not care to cast on other jobs... neglecting the buttons they have, not use all of it, and complain about... " Bloat".

But even if I find all of what I have essential, Kaiten included, which perfectly fits on my hotbars, I consider Samurai " Not Bloated " for what I have experienced from FFXIV vs Previous PvP MMO's on what I needed on my hotbars for essential combat.

Ah interesting, thank you for sharing.
Many games you've quoted, I havent played, so I cannot comment on those. I did play Aion and Archeage when they were new. They weren't button heavy at all but I never ventured into their late game PvP.

I find that line of comparison somewhat flawed since it compares top end performance of PvP at full capacity, to a setting of easy content with an uninvested player.
It would seem more logical to compare that to a Savage or ultimate raider in FFXIV.

But I do agree that comparing PvP to PvE is somewhat difficult to begin with, apples and oranges.

I think it is fun to list all of Sam's ( any melee dps would do, I just chose Sam because you elected to use it as an example) regularly used keybinds for something like Savage as an exercise of comparison :

6 for basic combos sen building
Shinten
Midare
Tsubame
Hagakure
Meditate
Meikyo
Senei
Shoha
Ikishoten
Ogi Namikiri
Gyoten
Enpi
third eye
true north
Arm's Length
Bloodbath
Second wind
Feint
Pot

Thats roughly 25 Keybinds of actions you'd use regularly in Savage content at maximal effort level, excluding any AOE binds. A pretty respectable number of stuff to bind and swiftly use, without dropping GCDs.

I find this manageable but for me its hitting the limit of what I find reasonable. I use my mouse thumb keys as a modifiers, since mmo mice are so clunky/ large.
I suppose my main point is that you'd use all those skills fairly often, unlike keybinds to pre pull one time buffs etc.