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  1. #71
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    I've got 18 characters at end game don't tell me about basic competency. I will do as I please with it comes to optional content and not worry about pleasing you.
    Okay sure, I don’t know why you think I care about you specifically, I’m just saying that not unlocking content is the same as ilvl cheesing, the fact you full called out by that is a you problem
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  2. #72
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    GeminiReed's Avatar
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    Alys Isshu
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Yeastyloins View Post
    I'd like to see the "Limiting Leveling Roulette" option shift to a general "Limit roulettes" apply to all roulettes but still work the same. 50/60/70/80, Raid, Trial, and Alliance would simply default to highest duty you can do.
    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    A great big NOPE to this. I don't want to get Paradigm's Breach every single day. Plus this completely negates the purpose of roulettes, which is to keep all content in it active and have players fill in where needed, not just keep the high level stuff active. Unless you mean still keeping it optional and only limited to premade, which is fine.
    The "Limited Leveling Roulette" requires you to queue as a full party of four humans. I think it's a safe bet to assume that they'd keep the same condition if they extend it to other roulettes (4,8,24).

    Unless it becomes wildly popular it won't hurt the queues because people queuing as a full party don't improve things for others. If you'd rather stick with the whims of DF then go solo, partial, or just don't enable the option.
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  3. #73
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    Toutatis's Avatar
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    Marshmallow Puff
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    Excalibur
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    Warrior Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    Okay, so you're one of those people abusing the ilvl cheese, gotcha. Thanks for telling on yourself.
    I have never used the iLvl trick, you misread my post. I do occasionally queue directly for CT if I need it for a duty. I rarely do AR roulette: rewards are simply not worth the time. When I have time for an AR, I prefer to queue directly for a raid I want to do. Maybe you should do the same.

    I really don’t see how I am abusing the system by not unlocking on alts the few OPTIONAL raids I dislike and the last Nier raid which makes me physically sick despite the adjustments they made. Some people never unlock any optional AR and that’s their business. Whether you like it or not, the game gives players that freedom and it’s totally ok. It is how the game is designed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Yes I do expect you to unlock the omega raids at 70, unlock the optional level 50 dungeons at level 50, it’s literally that basic, 99% of them don’t even need you to complete the instance to unlock them
    Not only your comment shows that you don’t seem to have a good grasp of the meaning of the word “optional” but no one cares about your unreasonable expectations. People are entirely free to play or not play optional content. It’s literally that basic.

    The game has a lot of content and expecting everyone, especially newer players (some of which bought a story skip and level boost), to unlock everything is ridiculous. It would require a tremendous amount of time many do not have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    It 100% is because you are biasing what’s supposed to be an even roulette
    It was never designed as an “even” roulette. It prioritizes filling groups for requested duties. It’s not a random draw and there are several factors affecting what you get. If CT pops more often, it is because there is a greater demand and player base.

    You too can bias the roulette in your favour: just queue for the duties you like instead of demanding that others play the game your way. Even when playing a dps I rarely wait more than 10-15 minutes to get what I want unless I queue at off hours
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    Last edited by Toutatis; 08-24-2022 at 06:59 PM.

  4. #74
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    Denji's Avatar
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    Daddy Milkers
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    Behemoth
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    Marauder Lv 86
    nah. back when 50-60 content was the only content we had we expected people to be competent.

    the issue is the extended sprouthood and how quickly the game rushes you through older content now. you can get a job to 80 in a weekend and that's without even pulling an all-nighter. it's trivial to just buy a shb book and level at warp speed via roulettes alone using a healer and then as soon as you get high enough level-wise, grab one of the jobs/classes that start at a higher level and then rush to bozja immediately after -- although people who buy the level 80 book boost without ever having played the game before are just as infuriating.

    despite all this i don't think there is really anything that can be done about it. if square doesn't make it easy to get through older content then people will either stop playing or rely on RMT to purchase already leveled characters.
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    Last edited by Denji; 08-23-2022 at 12:34 PM.

  5. #75
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    I haven't unlocked a lot of side content. Sometimes I only have the lower level duties unlocked, sometimes only the higher level ones.
    On my alt I only have Eden and Asphodeles unlocked for normal raids and only Nier and Aglaia in addition to mandatory CT. I'll have to unlock Omega raids eventually for UwU but until that day comes I have other priorities and I don't see why I should play through the entire Alexander, Omega, Void Ark and Ivalice questline just for the sake of having them included in my roulettes when I don't particularly care about whether they're part of it or not. I don't think there's anything wrong with not unlocking side content - it's side content and optional for a reason.
    I like the Ivalice raids well enough but I'm not on a schedule. I'll do it when I'm interested in them and don't have other priorities, not before. Playing through the entire lv 60/ 70 normal and alli raid questlines pushes back MSQ progress considerably and I understand why many players prefer to keep doing MSQ instead of taking a fairly long time off from it in order to unlock all side content at the previous level caps.
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  6. #76
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    DixieBellOCE's Avatar
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    Dixie Bell
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    Ravana
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    In my experience most of the content I see people do is their daily roulettes, and often times it takes them a couple hours a day, which comprises about 50 to 80% of their daily playtime.

    In these roulettes, many many times you get around lv50 synced content.
    50/60/70/80 dungeon roulette is more often than not a lv50 dungeon
    leveling roulette is most of the times, in my experience, a below lv50 or a lv 51-59 dungeon
    trials roulette is thornmarch, a hard difficulty trial, or at best a lv60
    main scenario is all lv50
    alliance roulette is more often than not crystal tower, and when it's not, people just leave.

    All in all most of my friends spend almost all of their combat time playing as a lv50 or 60 restricted job and never get to touch the abilities and actions at higher levels.

    I have suggested them do something about it, be it queue as a full group using the level relevant option for leveling roulettes, but they just... don't do it.

    And when it comes to having to actually do level cap content, such as aglaia or ultima's bane unreal, they are clueless as to what half their job's ability kit do.

    not to mention, I see a lot of people complaining about others being unskilled, to which I wonder, is this a problem induced by the roulettes system?
    Going to let you in on a little known secret.

    Roulette's are a TRAP.

    You get more experience for alt jobs just queueing for your highest level dungeon you can access.

    Congratulations, now start ignoring all the roulette's except Expert/Lv90
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  7. #77
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    LeonidasR's Avatar
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    Leonidas Rundu
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    Malboro
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avatre View Post
    2. People refuse to unlock the others thinking they are hard(they aren't, people just need to pay attention rather than "Netflix and XIV")
    I find this really funny personally just because this is literally what I do for any alliance raid. The only one that's really forced me to give full attention is the Nier Raids, and that's mostly because I constantly forget the mechanics. But I guess that's where the issue lies- People force CT, so they learn the other alliance raids less, which leads to people having a harder time with them due to lack of knowledge, which leads to people continuing to force CT, whether with ILVL cheese or just plain not unlocking the others. Honestly, I think all of the Alliance Raids should be required regardless of if they're going to be referenced in the MSQ, especially since suddenly requiring them kinda gives away that they're gonna be important. How many people called ShB's twist about the Exarch purely because of the fact that CT was suddenly required? Not that it was a terribly obscure twist anyway, but you get my point.
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  8. #78
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I don't think it's the amount of synced content bringing the playerbase's average skill level down. I think it's the playerbase's proud denigration of paying any attention to the game at all as "wanting the game to be like Dark Souls" that does it all on its own.
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