Expert Dungeons

[Packetdancer]

I agree with everything else you wrote, but I wanted to quote this part because as someone who doesn't do high end content, I still find current-dungeon gear basically worthless stat-wise since the buyable crafted sets are better (and they also get pretty affordable after like, 3 days of people undercutting each other), and even the stuff I acquired in the previous patch will be better.

While true, I know a lot of people who have many jobs at cap and lack the gil to get multiple sets of current crafted gear, so who do actually use the gear from whatever the current endgame dungeon is.

I know people with multiple level 90 jobs who don't even have 1 million gil. (I don't understand how, considering gil basically falls from the sky in this game, but they do exist.) Right now, the HQ crafted Classical gear on my server goes for between, I'd say, 240k and about 300k per set. Which is super cheap by the standards of gear for those first few days when a new tier lands, but if it represents a third of your total available gil, it's still going to be a sobering cost. And let's say you have GNB, SCH(/SMN), SAM, and RPR at 90... that's potentially five different sets of gear.

Gear from the current endgame dungeon is hardly the ideal method, as you note, or the most efficient. But it is something which nonetheless is relevant for some people... and as a game designer, you cannot rely on assumptions about the player crafting market. You need to have a viable -- even if less-optimal -- alternate path for someone to gear up.

[TaleraRistain]

Putting on my game-developer/designer hat for a moment...

I strongly suspect that if you just add all the capped dungeons to a single roulette, people do not actually run that roulette more often. Meaning that as the expansion ages, the endgame dungeons will fill more slowly for folks just now getting there because you're spreading (hypothetically) the same number of roulettes being run across more dungeons. By splitting it into two -- the level 90 capstone and the current expert -- you can double-dip on the people who routinely run all their roulettes daily, using them to fill out the party for two runs of the endgame dungeons, rather than just one.

Moreover, for folks that don't raid, the expert roulette being limited to the most recent two dungeons keeps some focus on the dungeons likely to drop more useful gear for those folks, meaning they can run those dungeons more readily (as there's a separate pool dedicated to filling parties out for specifically those dungeons).

I get tired of the same two dungeons in Expert roulette myself as an expansion ages, but I can absolutely see reasons for this from a design standpoint.

I'm wondering if maybe they could have made 80/90 Roulette and then adjusted Expert to be the last 4 or 5 most recently released dungeons. As we got new dungeons, older ones would retire to the 80/90 roulette but still keep Expert there for that double dip on endgame dungeons as you mentioned. I roll my eyes when things go down to 2 but like someone else I remember Always Reap (though my favorite had to be Never Not Neverreap) so I've always just kind of rolled with it. But it would be nice if they could consider some options that maintain the variety. Though 9 times out of 10 lately I get Stigma anyway (though I love that dungeon so I'm really not complaining there) so even with variety sometimes it's just the luck of the draw.

[Ransu]

It would be nice if we got hard mode dungeons again and the expert roulettes were only hard mode dungeons.

[Vatom]

Eh I would be fine with less dungeons if they did go further with what they said they were going to do when getting 2 dungeons.
I don't feel any of them are dynamic or even thought worthy. Only time I consider thinking is when Im DRK or SGE but even then its like eh not sweating it.
The last dungeon that really had my attention was the burn back in StB but I believe they nerfed it.
He to criterion dungeons hopefully it brings the love back to it.

[Darthgummibear]

This is actually why I stopped doing the expert roulette in SHB after I had the glams I wanted. The dragon one wasn't too bad, but that Matoya one was just awful to do ad nauseum, and I dread getting that dungeon in my 50/60/etc roulette now because of it.

[Greyhawk]

The duties listed within Duty Roulette: Expert have been changed as follows:


The Dead Ends
Smileton
The Stigma Dreamscape
Alzadaal's Legacy

Alzadaal's Legacy
The Fell Court of Troia

Very disappointing. We're back to 2 dungeon Expert roulettes.

They listen to some things but are deaf on many others. This was a complaint all throughout Shadowbringers.

I would like to see all current expansion Level cap normal dungeons be included in the Expert Roulette. I do not want to see them cycled out.

2 options just makes this roulette a miserable grind to do. There's no variety. We saw this at its worst in Shadowbringers.

This is absolutely nothing new. This has been a thing longer than you've joined the forum. If you don't like to do the Expert dungeion listing after the patch, then don't queue for it. Queue for the one where those will be.

[Asako]

Ah Expert roulette, the worst roulette in the game. Personally I don't care too much about this, it's always been the same, they've no intention of fixing the system that people have complained about for years even though there has always been a simple fix.

All they have to do is make it drop gear tokens that you can spend at a vendor to buy whatever piece you need. This gets around the ilvl problem of gear drops as you can always get something useful no matter what dungeon you get.

Serious question though. Does anyone actually enjoy doing dungeons in this game? They are absolutely miserable. Trash pulls have to be the worst thing in the game.

[Iscah]

All they have to do is make it drop gear tokens that you can spend at a vendor to buy whatever piece you need. This gets around the ilvl problem of gear drops as you can always get something useful no matter what dungeon you get.

Those already exist. They're called tomestones.

[TaleraRistain]

Ah Expert roulette, the worst roulette in the game. Personally I don't care too much about this, it's always been the same, they've no intention of fixing the system that people have complained about for years even though there has always been a simple fix.

All they have to do is make it drop gear tokens that you can spend at a vendor to buy whatever piece you need. This gets around the ilvl problem of gear drops as you can always get something useful no matter what dungeon you get.

This doesn't fix anything about the number of dungeons in the roulette, which is the issue.

[Asako]

This doesn't fix anything about the number of dungeons in the roulette, which is the issue.

I think you missed the point. If you add a token drop instead of set gear people can still run the dungeons in the roulette without the current ilvl issue that causes them to split the roulette. If you had a token drop then you would be able to keep all the lvl90 dungeons in the expert roulette. If people win a token in a chest then they can exchange it for any gear piece they want from any of the dungeons via a vendor. Also useful for people collecting glamour so they don't need to run dungeons a billion times to get the 1 piece for the role they want.