Thread: 6.2 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The problem is, and you are well aware of this, some people here like to push their opinions as "the community as a whole" opinions.

You know "many people agree."

That goes well beyond personal opinion takes.

I link a lot of these threads to my community circle, and they all tend to disagree with whatever the topic is that I disagree with. But I don't come here pushing that as "the community opinion"

I voice my disagreements as my own. Aveyond does not.

Ah yes, the forum police brigade never presents their opinions as absolutes... nu-uh, never at all...

Originally Posted by Striker44

I wouldn't call it a double standard, more someone not realizing or accepting what FFXIV is about. If someone is purely interested in combat, why play a game that straight-up markets itself as primarily a story-based MMO (one of the reasons it's frequently called an RPGMMO instead of an MMORPG). There are other games that heavily emphasize endgame raiding and see the story as just something to blow through as a means to get you to endgame. FFXIV isn't that game. It would be like playing an FPS set in WWI and being disappointed that it doesn't include modern tanks and jets.

Remember, when WoW was far and away the "best MMORPG on the market," it attained that status precisely by being more casual-oriented than other MMO's at the time. And end-game raiding at that time was practically nothing more than tank-and-spank with occasionally one other mechanic at most involved. The "hardest" part of combat was actually just managing to get 40 people together to do a raid.

There's also a direct link between WoW shifting to a "raid or die" mentality focusing on ever-more-difficult combat and eSports, and it's loss of that "best MMO" status. Put quite simply, the unofficial "best MMO of the moment" title has a long history of going to the game that is most casual-friendly and doesn't focus on "harder" normal content.

Edit: Oh my, imagine going just one more thread over:

Originally Posted by Striker44

Are you suggesting the only possible content in the game are striking dummies or instances? I learn my abilities and how they interact just from normal questing, doing FATEs, etc.. Put simply, you're not likely to get a random average player to spend time at a practice dummy. That's for people who want to absolutely optimize their rotation and maximize their dps for high-level content. For the other 95% of the playerbase, it's pointless.

I don't care one way or the other,
But it would be the same resource team, It isn't as simple as just unchecking a box, they have to fully re-build / adjust the clothing models to fit on male characters properly.
Not to say that it's to the same extent as building hair modules, which take much more time but they would be pulling people and resources from making hair to make the adjustments for the clothing.
Some Male races can't use the same texture models, so they have to fully re-build the clothing for races like Roegadyn, Au Ra, and Hrothgar.
It is more likely that Square is fully re-building them for each race, to ensure quality is the same.

A lot of people seem to have the idea that they simply uncheck a box, that is not at all how simple it is. I just wanted to make a clarification they are probably spending hundreds of hours to make these changes.

Originally Posted by Theodric

TESO places a heavy focus on player housing, makes it available to every player who desires to indulge in the system, every house acquired is accessible on any character on one's account and once you unlock it you can take a break for months or even years and still find it intact upon returning to the game.

That's not even getting into the sheer variety of houses on offer in terms of size and style or the many different furnishings on offer to suit a wide variety of tastes.

I'm sure some of the usual suspects will downplay the appeal of player housing because they, themselves, don't care for it but it strikes me as very disingenuous to pretend as if it isn't a highly popular feature in a game such as this and as such more should be done to make it accessible to every player who desires it.

I say this as someone lucky enough to own a large and a medium, so it's not a case of being salty because I don't have one myself.

I hate to say it but I would prefer a cash shop situation, like ESO, than the restricted both in gameplay terms but also actual availability that we have here... Of course I'd prefer no cash shop and a perfect system the most, but wish in one hand and collect chocobo turds in the other . On the more hopeful end though, I am excited for both the initial experience of Island Sanctuary but also the potential future of it (like adding an inn room cottage that is pre-fab would be a great start, but further in the future you might start to see housing like options).

I do like to say that I believe fixing the situation would likely be an extremely difficult accomplishment, but of course do not mind saying I wish it to be done anyways (though I wouldn't suggest it's easy lol). Or, and I feel I've 'felt' hints of this possibility in some time to come... in a new MMO. Given many differences between this hypothetical MMO and FFXIV it might be seen as possible to play both and have enough feeling difference that they don't actually, entirely, cannibalize each other.

For example using Yoshida's sly comments (I strongly believe he is a planner and also to take his musing as serious musing, even if they might be planned for years in the future)-- this new one would be more modern and drop in / drop out 'able'. In some ways to me it sounds a bit like if FFXIV was inspired by WoW then the new one would be both inspired by FFXIV's experience, what didn't fit but could be cool, and also perhaps for example GW2/ESO. Of course the goal in both situations shouldn't be "WoW-killer" or "copy that MMO exactly", but to me I imagine the 'new MMO' would likely be far more action, account wide, etc. Might even be more monetized like those games, where there is less burden for monthly but more cash shop. Which I don't say with glee, but that would further help them standout from each other and allow more likely for players to play both.

If we assume, it's a big assumption but I believe is not unreasonable either, that the new games coming out are able to help inform the next MMO- like FFXII did.. then we might also look at FFXVI and perhaps Forspoken as well. I would also imagine PvP might take a stronger stand here too, given the (huge freaking assumptions) of faster smoother combat and also Yoshida's own predilections. Personally I also think PvP is always a great way to extend the life of a game, since no matter how much PvE you add or how hard you try it gets really hard to make it not feel the same as before (and I feel is a common aspect of old MMOs where people just start to comment more and more about how things should feel fresh again but it's almost impossible to do... meanwhile PvP can feel fresh for much much longer, I believe). It would also line up with one of GW2's major pro's, given we're swinging wildly in the clouds already I would suggest that.

Certainly playing Nostradamus here, but given my not terrible predication rate.. this is my guess for the future lol. ... So I'm not sure FFXIV will get these, both due to difficulty but also because it would be another bullet to add in the differences between the two. If they essentially made "FFXIV, ARR part two" then I would imagine FFXIV would take significant impact.. so my thought that there will be intentional differences and use of resources that is attempting to be as efficient as possible.

Huge imo / assumptions, please bring all the salt.. only vaguely based on, imo, hints I've seen dropped and my feeling to read between those lines with mysticism and vibin' lol.