Thread: 6.2 Patch Notes

Originally Posted by Striker44

Might want to actually read a thread before commenting lol...it falls a little flat when you say "there's no evidence" AFTER that evidence has already been provided

You mean unofficial polls on fan websites? Is that your idea of a rigorous and unbiaised polling system? Do you even know what anecdotal means?
Oooh perhaps you mean the official popularity poll on the chinese FFXIV website which put the random Elpis axolotl over all the characters of the game, P3S' boss over Alphinaud and Tataru, or Hydaelyn's Dog over all the city-state leaders? The same poll where your "massively popular" Minfillia is nowhere to be seen in the top 32 despite featuring long dead and forgotten characters like Ysayle? An incredibly serious source which surely means that any criticism towards the game is nothing but the powerless cries of a tiny 0.0001% minority like you repeat in every single of your baseless posts.
Ah no I get it. You got your "objective truth" by watching YouTube videos personally curated by an algorithm to fit your interest and your views.

You have no idea what you're talking about, but you're so full of yourself that you think that by using the same Internet everyone else does only you can see the truth. You're the exact same as people you're trying to denounce, but with added hypocrisy to boot.

At our level, we can't know what is truly popular or not. We can make observations and get something that might get close to correct, but by implying numbers like when you talk about "extremely tiny minority" you're making the exact same kind of unfounded claims than those who says that their views are shared by an "wide portion of the community". (which you also do, btw)

Originally Posted by Striker44

Might want to actually read a thread before commenting lol...it falls a little flat when you say "there's no evidence" AFTER that evidence has already been provided

I read it. I commented on the two pieces of 'evidence' you routinely stick in there - try reading. My apologies for not referencing the Scion polls or the Reddit one, but given that they are self-selected fan samples, they suffer from exactly the same issues as every other sample you try reference, besides a Scion poll being orthogonal to the question of both their or EW's overall popularity in the broader playerbase (i.e. this goes back to the question of how representative their samples are) - polls I might add where they fall below certain non-Scion characters in popularity, in some cases by significant margins. So no, I'm afraid the 'evidence' in question doesn't meet the threshold outlined by Kazhar, and in spite of your frequent attempts to tone police others here for not neurotically qualifying their posts, you yourself don't bother doing that when you bluster on a rampage through various threads using fairly meek evidence, given the certainty you claim... almost like a puffer fish.

Originally Posted by Kazhar

At our level, we can't know what is truly popular or not. We can make observations and get something that might get close to correct, but by implying numbers like when you talk about "extremely tiny minority" you're making the exact same kind of unfounded claims than those who says that their views are shared by an "wide portion of the community". (which you also do, btw)

Exactly. They're fine to use provided you acknowledge their limitations, those being that they tend to come from sites that skew very positive and are rather self-selected samples. I'd say the same of the OF - while it does lean more towards complaining (because it is set up for the very purpose of accommodating that), and while some complaints also have broader traction beyond its own confines, you still only have a starting point there before you undertake wider and deeper analysis. Unfortunately, to the extent that SE does this (maybe it's buried somewhere in those exabytes of data it pours over?), we have no clue what insights these statistics yield, what happens to them beyond that point, etc. I'd love it if they were more transparent with it, but I won't hold my breath.

Originally Posted by Kazhar

You mean unofficial polls on fan websites? Is that your idea of a rigorous and unbiaised polling system? Do you even know what anecdotal means?
Oooh perhaps you mean the official popularity poll on the chinese FFXIV website which put the random Elpis axolotl over all the characters of the game, P3S' boss over Alphinaud and Tataru, or Hydaelyn's Dog over all the city-state leaders? The same poll where your "massively popular" Minfillia is nowhere to be seen in the top 32 despite featuring long dead and forgotten characters like Ysayle? An incredibly serious source which surely means that any criticism towards the game is nothing but the powerless cries of a tiny 0.0001% minority like you repeat in every single of your baseless posts.
Ah no I get it. You got your "objective truth" by watching YouTube videos personally curated by an algorithm to fit your interest and your views.

You have no idea what you're talking about, but you're so full of yourself that you think that by using the same Internet everyone else does only you can see the truth. You're the exact same as people you're trying to denounce, but with added hypocrisy to boot.

At our level, we can't know what is truly popular or not. We can make observations and get something that might get close to correct, but by implying numbers like when you talk about "extremely tiny minority" you're making the exact same kind of unfounded claims than those who says that their views are shared by an "wide portion of the community". (which you also do, btw)

Data is data. Just because you personally doesn't like where it comes from doesn't make it any more or less relevant. Attack the data, not the source of it.