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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    The only thing any poster here is obligated to abide by is the established terms of service. They're certainly under no obligation to pander to and appease those who do little but drift from thread to thread in an attempt to police everything from tone to the content of a post even when it doesn't even breach any of the site rules.

    Each to their own, I guess, though it strikes me as pretty strange and disingenuous to try and insist that everyone has to lace every single post with 'IN MY OPINION' when it can be reasonably be inferred that any given poster's contributions to the forum are just that.
    The problem is, and you are well aware of this, some people here like to push their opinions as "the community as a whole" opinions.

    You know "many people agree."

    That goes well beyond personal opinion takes.

    I link a lot of these threads to my community circle, and they all tend to disagree with whatever the topic is that I disagree with. But I don't come here pushing that as "the community opinion"

    I voice my disagreements as my own. Aveyond does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The problem is, and you are well aware of this, some people here like to push their opinions as "the community as a whole" opinions.

    You know "many people agree."

    That goes well beyond personal opinion takes.

    I link a lot of these threads to my community circle, and they all tend to disagree with whatever the topic is that I disagree with. But I don't come here pushing that as "the community opinion"

    I voice my disagreements as my own. Aveyond does not.
    Ah yes, the forum police brigade never presents their opinions as absolutes... nu-uh, never at all...

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    I wouldn't call it a double standard, more someone not realizing or accepting what FFXIV is about. If someone is purely interested in combat, why play a game that straight-up markets itself as primarily a story-based MMO (one of the reasons it's frequently called an RPGMMO instead of an MMORPG). There are other games that heavily emphasize endgame raiding and see the story as just something to blow through as a means to get you to endgame. FFXIV isn't that game. It would be like playing an FPS set in WWI and being disappointed that it doesn't include modern tanks and jets.

    Remember, when WoW was far and away the "best MMORPG on the market," it attained that status precisely by being more casual-oriented than other MMO's at the time. And end-game raiding at that time was practically nothing more than tank-and-spank with occasionally one other mechanic at most involved. The "hardest" part of combat was actually just managing to get 40 people together to do a raid.

    There's also a direct link between WoW shifting to a "raid or die" mentality focusing on ever-more-difficult combat and eSports, and it's loss of that "best MMO" status. Put quite simply, the unofficial "best MMO of the moment" title has a long history of going to the game that is most casual-friendly and doesn't focus on "harder" normal content.
    Edit: Oh my, imagine going just one more thread over:

    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    Are you suggesting the only possible content in the game are striking dummies or instances? I learn my abilities and how they interact just from normal questing, doing FATEs, etc.. Put simply, you're not likely to get a random average player to spend time at a practice dummy. That's for people who want to absolutely optimize their rotation and maximize their dps for high-level content. For the other 95% of the playerbase, it's pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azuri View Post
    Ah yes, the forum police brigade never presents their opinions as absolutes... nu-uh, never at all...



    Edit: Oh my, imagine going just one more thread over:



    This was a much nicer way of articulating my thoughts on the subject
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Each to their own, I guess, though it strikes me as pretty strange and disingenuous to try and insist that everyone has to lace every single post with 'IN MY OPINION' when it can be reasonably be inferred that any given poster's contributions to the forum are just that.
    Nobody is Policing tone.
    We are asking for intentions to be made clear. Are you speaking for yourself and your opinion, or are you speaking for others. If you say "People are not satisfied" you arnt speaking for yourself and your opinion. You are talking on others behalf. Thats just Basic English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    though it strikes me as pretty strange and disingenuous to try and insist that everyone has to lace every single post with 'IN MY OPINION' when it can be reasonably be inferred that any given poster's contributions to the forum are just that.
    You're dealing with children, of course they can't tell the difference between someone stating a fact or an opinion unless they're told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    You're dealing with children, of course they can't tell the difference between someone stating a fact or an opinion unless they're told.
    Insults.
    Great Counter-Argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    Insults.
    Great Counter-Argument
    If you're the type of person who needs someone else to specify when they're stating an opinion, you are indeed a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    If you're the type of person who needs someone else to specify when they're stating an opinion, you are indeed a child.
    Cool down the hostility, for your own sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    If you're the type of person who needs someone else to specify when they're stating an opinion, you are indeed a child.
    Personal Insults.
    This is a well crafted debate.

    But let me offer a rebuttal to restore SOME amount of intelligence lacking here.
    If you say ""many people agree" or say things like "People are not impressed" anything that isn't singular to you in a sentence, you aren't speaking for yourself or your opinion.
    Basic, English.

    Even a Child Understand this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44 View Post
    If you're the type of person who needs someone else to specify when they're stating an opinion, you are indeed a child.
    This is essentially the pot calling the kettle black. Sorry, but if you cannot contribute meaningfully to a debate without devolving to calling one party a child then you really ought to consider who exactly is the child in this thread.

    But to address the point, and many parties are guilty of this but if you attempt to use the words (and a paraphrase): "The majority of..."; "Most people..." then you are essentially just using thinly veiled words in an attempt to present an opinion as a fact, and both are equally as bad. You can find plenty of this in the "Ardbert's Party vs the Scions Analysis" thread, if you want.
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