Should Level Sync better not remove skills?

[Packetdancer]

It's too much of a hassle and a nightmare to balance when their current system works flawlessly for the purpose they want it to achieve in a massively tiny fraction of the effort, that also doubles as not needing to be changed expansion after expansion, whereas any formulas, scalings, etc would have to be adjusted any. single. time there's a change to any potency on any job, or radical toolkit changes each expansion.

While I agree 100% with literally everything else in your statement -- likely no surprise given my own earlier posts in this thread, or my perennial threats to make an illustrated PowerPoint deck with All the Math which I can just drop in these threads when they come up -- I would disagree that the system works flawlessly.

While syncing skills works fine, syncing gear demonstrably does not; the ilevel sync in this game is extremely wonky, and that I feel could really, really use some fine-tuning.

[Hasrat]

In short, these requests will always divide the players into two groups: Those that can see the math involved, even if only just a glimpse, and those that just see a jumble of numbers at best.

[Hyperia]

As much as I would love to have my full kit, it would terribly destabilize the roulettes so it’s best to leave things the way they are.

Think about it, a group sees me as a fully geared level 90 WHM and goes wild in the dungeon. Same group and they get a level 31 sprout WHM in what gear they can find, don’t be surprised if they quit or kick.

The sync serves its purpose well and keeps the experience relatively the same for most players.

We need to keep the sync the way it is.

[Magikazam]

IMO the whole issue comes from how FF14 works as a whole and is the reason why I can't be fixed. Compared to other MMO 80% of the dungeons and trials are mandatory to do to progress in the MSQ, Back in ARR I had to wait 3 hours to do the level 18 ifrit fight cause I had to wait for 3 other people to be at the same spot in the story, that was an issue. So they made roulette that gives rewards, so you have to wait like 20 min at best as DPS to do a dungeon to progress in the mandatory content.

Now that creates a situation where you can't satisfy everyones

-Like many people pointed out it would be kinda boring for lower level player cause they get to press 2 buttons while you spam cool and complete mechanics with actual gameplay, but on the other side it's also bad design to get your thousands of hours in the game denied If I put the time to level a class to level 80 I shouldn't be nerfed to the like of someone who only reached level 20 so they enjoy the game.

-You can't do the math and play with number to make it so both a level 18 and a level 88 does the same contribution, it just don't work. If you just make the high level player deal more damage then it makes the content more ez, but tbh normal content is already braindead EZ so....

-Some people say you could just group with 4 other people who are high level, but it goes against the whole point of the roullete, making group fast to get content done. Plus good luck finding 3 other people who got a class around your levels.

-Some people say you don't have to do the roullete, it is not mandatory so just don't do them. IMO that's just a stupid statement, It's the biggest source of XP and Tomestones, If you need to level up or need some new tombstone costing gear you're forced to do them unless you want to quadruple the time it will take to farm those, and let be honest, farming level and tomes out of roulette is ABYSMAL for a modern MMO. In WoW I can max out a char in 1-2 days and that with reading quest and leveling in a sub-optimal way, in FFXIV I can get 10-20 ish level on the same time span, assuming I'm doing roulette then spamming dungeon as a tank/healer for fast Q

[Reinha]

A much easier solution: don't queue for leveling roulette if you're level 90 and want to play with your level 90 rotation. Works like a charm. Even during leveling it's not much more experience than just doing the highest level dungeon available to you.

[Magikazam]

A much easier solution: don't queue for leveling roulette if you're level 90 and want to play with your level 90 rotation. Works like a charm. Even during leveling it's not much more experience than just doing the highest level dungeon available to you.

What if I need Tomestones too? Should I Ignore the 400+ ones I get doing roulette cause I can get as much If I spend trice the time spamming dungeons? I legit don't get you people who go from ''BuT wE nEeD tO hElP SpRoUt!1!11!!!'' Then when there complain about how the system to help them work you just go full 180 modes and tell people not to use it. Yea, who need rewards, let make them sprout wait half an hour between dungeon!

[Jeeqbit]

What if I need Tomestones too? Should I Ignore the 400+ ones I get doing roulette cause I can get as much If I spend trice the time spamming dungeons? I legit don't get you people who go from ''BuT wE nEeD tO hElP SpRoUt!1!11!!!'' Then when there complain about how the system to help them work you just go full 180 modes and tell people not to use it. Yea, who need rewards, let make them sprout wait half an hour between dungeon!

If you want to help sprouts that way then you kind of have to accept your rotation syncing down. If you don't want your rotation to sync down, then maybe you just have to accept helping sprouts some other way like in the novice network and leveling some other way like fates, hunt bills, beast tribes or the highest level dungeon available.

There are other ways to get tomestones. Pvp, max level dungeons, expert roulette, first time bonuses for level 90 content, S ranks, hunt trains and maps.

[Sesera]

If you want to help sprouts that way then you kind of have to accept your rotation syncing down. If you don't want your rotation to sync down, then maybe you just have to accept helping sprouts some other way like in the novice network and leveling some other way like fates, hunt bills, beast tribes or the highest level dungeon available.

There are other ways to get tomestones. Pvp, max level dungeons, expert roulette, first time bonuses for level 90 content, S ranks, hunt trains and maps.

Everything is fine either people don't queue for roulette and people looking to progress msq get stuck for hours or they do roulette and get a boring rotation and don't learn their job and at 90 they forgot they can use more than 3 skills.

[Mikey_R]

Everything is fine either people don't queue for roulette and people looking to progress msq get stuck for hours or they do roulette and get a boring rotation and don't learn their job and at 90 they forgot they can use more than 3 skills.

There is not going to be a massive decline in people doing the roulettes if they suddenly decided to get their tomes elsewhere, there are people who are willing to do the roulettes after all and do not care about the syncing.

As for 'learning their rotation', you shouldn't be learning in the instance. You should have already been hitting a striking dummy to learn at least your rotation basics before you go in. Getting synced down every time is not an excuse for not knowing your rotation at max level. This is a player issue, not a game issue.

[Magikazam]

If you want to help sprouts that way then you kind of have to accept your rotation syncing down. If you don't want your rotation to sync down, then maybe you just have to accept helping sprouts some other way like in the novice network and leveling some other way like fates, hunt bills, beast tribes or the highest level dungeon available.

There are other ways to get tomestones. Pvp, max level dungeons, expert roulette, first time bonuses for level 90 content, S ranks, hunt trains and maps.

Y'all can't get the easy part uh..okay let me spell it out for you... Roulette gives those reward in such big quantities so you do them daily cause they are by far the best way to get XP and tomestone in-game, to a point other methods to farm them are slow and inefficient. The reason it is made like that is so level 90 player has a reason to do roulette daily for reward, they don't care about the sprout, they want the reward, but the system also helps sprout so that just happen at the same time. It is like when you work IRL, you don't become an employee at Mcdonald cause you want customers to be served fast food, you go there because you want to get paid. And you're the guy going around saying ''WeLl If YoU dOn'T wAnT tO sErVe CuStOmEr, bEgGiNg fOr MoNeY, iT aLsO gIvE cAsH''

Yea sure I could xp in another way... Or I could save myself a week of farm and take those free 2-4 levels a day that are almost free.