Thread: LIMIT BREAK: It Needs A Re-Work

Hear me out:

With the huge influx of new players to the game, the one thing that isn't discussed or taught anywhere in the game, is the Limit Break. New players have no idea it even exists until they ask about the Limit Break Bar. It's under the general tab, where most new players don't think to look for damaging abilities, etc.

More importantly, new players have no idea when to actually use the Limit Break, and the only way they learn? Is usually by being yelled at for using it inappropriately. We were doing the Nier raids, and we had a bard who kept using LB3 instead of the melee, or instead of saving it for the healers during a rough phase. He got angry and yelled at us for 'just sitting on the limit break.'

This brings me to the actual meat of the matter: It shouldn't matter who uses the limit break, but it DOES. Melee does vastly more damage by using the LB than ranged or magical DPS do.

Solution:

Give every DPS class two LB's: One that is single target, and orange - which looks how it looks now, and that single target LB deals the SAME amount of damage for everyone, regardless of their class.

The other LB should look exactly the same, but make the button blue: This one should be an AoE LB. Again, it deals the same amount of damage, regardless of which class actually uses it.

My last suggestion is this:

Upon unlocking your first dungeon, you are given a limit break tutorial, teaching new players how and when to utilize the limit break appropriately.

Upon reaching dungeons which give you the LB3 option, you should get yet another LB tutorial that teaches healers and tanks about situations where they might have to use the LB3, and what their LB3 actually does.

It's getting really frustrating seeing new players completely botch LB: But it's even more frustrating that only a couple of melee DPS really get to use it: And if anyone else tries to use it, they get everyone else upset at them. It feels bad and I think it needs to change. Thanks for reading.

It's an MMO. You're supposed to at least communicate at little. There should be a tutorial that acknowledges its existence but that should be it.

Originally Posted by Angellos

Melee does vastly more damage by using the LB than ranged or magical DPS do.

Gonna say I disagree, simply because it depends on when you are using the limit break. LBs are just too varied on when you can use them and why you can use them that it would be very difficult to be able to cover it in a tutorial. Just do a help popup telling you how to use it and what each role's LB does and let us take that information and do what we will with it.

or just tell them without yelling at them? *shrug*

I'm pretty sure this was covered in the new starter video guide.

How do you yell at people through chat?

I get more people use it incorrectly than ppl not knowing about it
The other day I had a Tank in the 81 dungeon use LB1 as their personal cooldown(ofc they didn't use cd's like rampart etc, but they could find the lb button)
We asked him nicely to save it for the dps but he just didn't want to listen.
Theres just a portion of people that doesn't want to learn or cummunicate in FF14, if you make it more clear there will still be people ignoring it, not aoe'ing etc.

Originally Posted by Angellos

More importantly, new players have no idea when to actually use the Limit Break, and the only way they learn? Is usually by being yelled at for using it inappropriately. We were doing the Nier raids, and we had a bard who kept using LB3 instead of the melee, or instead of saving it for the healers during a rough phase. He got angry and yelled at us for 'just sitting on the limit break.'

Uh. 1) just sitting on LB3 is wasting it, 2) caster and ranged LB are far more effective on trash packs than sitting on a full limit for half the instance's run so a melee can feel like a hero wasting a ton of damage on the last 5% of the last boss.

The bard was correct.

Originally Posted by Toutatis

It doesn’t matter much. Tower of Zot, with or without LB, is mega easy. A properly used LB will save you a few seconds only. Unless you are doing specific content that requires the use of LB at precise moments or savage, it is not going to make much of a difference.

As for that tank, was it explained to him that LB is shared with the whole group? I ran with someone the other day who was spamming it whenever because they thought it was a personal ability. Often people tell others to do or not to do something without explaining why.

Yeah it didn't bother me that much.
We did several times yeah and nicely, they just never responded back and kept doing it.