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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    I don't see why Ukrainians should be any special.
    Streamer said so. Streamer just looking out for number one. Streamer gets paid for nothing regardless, but saving are always nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    Streamer said so. Streamer just looking out for number one. Streamer gets paid for nothing regardless, but saving are always nice.
    I really dislike the mentality of: "A streamer said X, so it must be true!"
    Streamers say many things, but that doesn't mean it's true or even valid. They're primarily looking for more support, views, and popularity which means more money while they're also trying to spend less. Just bringing the topic of Ukrainians or any hot political topic to the table is enough to spread like fire in the community which all contributes back to the streamer itself.
    I don't watch streamers myself, but even without reading names, I'm pretty confident the streamer in question who said Ukrainians should pay less just because they're Ukrainians is the same streamer who fled the country and got a nice beachy house on the first day wherein everyone else was struggling to escape and have a spot in the street to sleep in.
    That goes without saying, a little thinking is all it takes to realize the idea of providing discounted subscription prices to a specific group of people is bad because...
    1): The obvious misuse of the discount via VPNs and fake documents.
    2): Outrage from the local Japanese players because a local company is giving special privileges to a foreign group of players while they had none over the years.
    3): Ukrainian players will start demanding even more privileges, while other nationalities will start demanding too. At a later point, minorities will also get in the line and everyone will be demanding special privileges to be given to them.
    4): Similar to the second reason, it would be unfair towards players from countries affected by natural disasters and conflicts too and could be seen as a "We care more about them than you" type of behavior.
    5): Following all of the above, the results would be a damaged reputation and a cut in revenues. This is obviously bad from a business perspective (They're not a charity) and it will also grab the attention of investors who would question the company's decisions. This might get investors more involved in the company's decision-making and more to the point we might get another company to behave like Blizzard where they're devoting themselves to appease the investors (As if things with SE aren't enough...).

    It's just terrible...
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    Last edited by Kranel_San; 08-19-2022 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Added another reason + Clarification on the last one

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    And then, as if by magic, the entire world will suddenly be Ukrainian thanks to VPN.
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    With questions above, why not everyone pretend to be russian via vpn then? it's 3$ for russians
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnPo View Post
    With questions above, why not everyone pretend to be russian via vpn then? it's 3$ for russians
    People probably don't know about how much a 14 sub cost somewhere they don't live.

    If SE were to lower Ukraine sub they would make a statement about it making more people aware of it.
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    No, Ukrainians aren't the only peoples at war, and war is not the only hardship a human can face. If you were to give every suffering human being a free sub, SE would be bankrupt fairly quickly. And Ukrainian people, once they make it here, already receive more than enough benefits where I'm from
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnPo View Post
    With questions above, why not everyone pretend to be russian via vpn then? it's 3$ for russians
    Because it is not so easy. AFAIK you need a russian bank account for this etc. But when it would be for free then you would only need a VPN with a ukrainian IP address.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AnPo View Post
    With questions above, why not everyone pretend to be russian via vpn then? it's 3$ for russians
    Doesn't Square take action against this? Pretty sure that Steam does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NekoMataMata View Post
    Doesn't Square take action against this? Pretty sure that Steam does.
    Nope, they tried to make actions, but after some time they rolled back. Still 289 rubles but this part wasn't mentioned on site
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    It's a nice idea, but it's really none of our business and this really isn't the place to sort it out. Not everything Zepla talks about has to become a talking point here.

    Let SE and those affected figure all that out.
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