What are your thoughts on FFXIV's combat?

[Liam_Harper]

It has nothing to do with ego, and is more akin to, "I feel useful"
Best way I can put it atm because I cant think of a better phrase at the moment. Overall I feel more satisfaction keeping people alive then doing Big-D-DPS.

The problem is that once you get more experience you realize you only feel useful, but you aren't actually as useful in reality. Pretty much any sprout blindly spamming Medica II can keep a group alive just fine. In certain content like lv90 dungeons you're barely needed and in Normal raids you're just surplus and your co-heal could do the job for both of you.

Keeping people alive is a joke, your group could easily replace you and the only way to be genuinely useful is to contribute high dps while keeping everyone alive. But since the developers have made sure most content has no dps check and meters are banned, no one cares if you did damage (or might even dislike you for it).

The more experience you have, the less rewarding healing is and the more pointless you realize it is.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

[Supersnow845]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

Take a look at FFlogs

I looked at stigma dreamscape (though all are roughly similar dead ends skews a little more strongly to healers in the top clears), of the top 50 fastest clears only 8 of them even had a healer yet all 4 tanks are represented (DRK even has some non RDM clears), raids is harder because it’s hard to find non standard clears of the panda normal raids but currently for all 4 bosses non standard comps hold a faster record than standard comps which I assume is trading out one healer and one tank to run 6 DPS so it does show how useless healers are regardless

[Striker44]

Take a look at FFlogs

I looked at stigma dreamscape (though all are roughly similar dead ends skews a little more strongly to healers in the top clears), of the top 50 fastest clears only 8 of them even had a healer yet all 4 tanks are represented (DRK even has some non RDM clears), raids is harder because it’s hard to find non standard clears of the panda normal raids but currently for all 4 bosses non standard comps hold a faster record than standard comps which I assume is trading out one healer and one tank to run 6 DPS so it does show how useless healers are regardless

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

[Supersnow845]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

[GoatOfWar]

The guy wanted and example of people being able to completely invalidate healers and I provided one, you aren’t doing the dungeon faster by dumping off the tank, you aren’t going faster by dumping off the DPS but you certainly are going faster by dumping off the healer

The core point is that it shouldn’t even be possible not that it’s only something more accomplished people can, seriously while GNB and DRK need some finesse any DF party doesn’t with a WAR or PLD does not need a healer and assuming none of the DPS are huffing paint you will go faster than having the healer there

And i mean, you need so little healing a red mage would suffice in normal mode content.

[Sebazy]

But if you're talking "top 50 fastest clears" tracked by sites designed to be used by people pushing the toughest content, you're not getting anything close to a representative sample of the playerbase. The typical FFXIV player is not anywhere close to the "top 50 fastest clears." I expect the top players to be able to do things that you're typical, casual player isn't going to even dream about. The result says absolutely nothing about the usefulness of things like healers to what is far and away the most common FFXIV player.

It honestly makes little difference until you go down to the depths of the sort of player who just sits in ground markers and afks. Eating the occasional avoidable aoe isn't a problem, keeping assize/star etc on cooldown takes care of that regardless. Modern dungeon bosses are literal med and cooldown breaks at this point and the trash only really gets nasty if you run out of cooldowns or simply never pop them in the first place.

If the healer is contributing damage or 'le gasp', you ditch them and get another DPS, you're not going to run out of cooldowns as the videos above attest to.

[Absurdity]

I'm curious to see this be put into an experiment: to truly know if healing is that useless in dungeons. Basically I would like somebody to record them and their friends running a lv.90 dungeon or trial synced with no healer.

One where it's only the tank and 2 dps.
Another with a tank and 4 dps
And lastly one run with regular party make up.

Oh and to also have each run timed to see which party was the most efficient in clearing the content.

Your party compositions for a 4man dungeon seem a bit odd.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

The problem is that once you get more experience you realize you only feel useful, but you aren't actually as useful in reality. Pretty much any sprout blindly spamming Medica II can keep a group alive just fine. In certain content like lv90 dungeons you're barely needed and in Normal raids you're just surplus and your co-heal could do the job for both of you.

Keeping people alive is a joke, your group could easily replace you and the only way to be genuinely useful is to contribute high dps while keeping everyone alive. But since the developers have made sure most content has no dps check and meters are banned, no one cares if you did damage (or might even dislike you for it).

The more experience you have, the less rewarding healing is and the more pointless you realize it is.

You don't even need experience for that considering i was just leveling SMN/SCH (almost exlusively using SMN) to 90 on a character, decided to go through a few duty support dungeons as a scholar for a change, had a massive kit of healing spell that i never used since healing the party to full health was as easy as pressing a single button once, and even that usually went to overhealing since the enemies/bosses are never a threat if nobody facetanks mechanics on purpose. Even then the only reason it's a threat is the vulnerability stacks. Whatever Ronso could possibly be talking about is beyond me. I imagine it's more like "i feel useful as i watch netflix/some twitch streamer/youtube video on my second monitor".

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Whatever Ronso could possibly be talking about is beyond me. I imagine it's more like "i feel useful as i watch netflix/some twitch streamer/youtube video on my second monitor".

LoL, didnt think the "I feel useful" line would get so much focus, considering I only said it as a Quick phrase because I couldnt think of better wording at the time.
If you only ever had to press one healing spell and never used anything else, sounds like you had a good Warrior, because they have insane self-sustain. Otherwise, there is no way you were over-healing with just 1 spell and nothing was ever a threat. Also was this your experience in Raids and Trials as well, or is this just specifically Dungeons?

Only time I ever put up a Video is the Lv50 MSQ Roulette.
If you get bored, Im sorry to hear that.