What are your thoughts on FFXIV's combat?

[LaylaTsarra]

I mean you can like them but I don’t think it can be argued having a 1 button rotation is good design or works well in the games combat

I have more than one offensive button and yeah they are mixed in with healing spells cause I don't know I can't look at an HP bar and have it heal itself. Your idea of a good design isn't everyones but not going to turn this into a healers suck thread.

You do you it's fine. Said all I'm going to say on the matter. I enjoy healing all my alts main WHM.

[Supersnow845]

I have more than one offensive button and yeah they are mixed in with healing spells cause I don't know I can't look at an HP bar and have it heal itself. Your idea of a good design isn't everyones but not going to turn this into a healers suck thread.

You do you it's fine. Said all I'm going to say on the matter. I enjoy healing all my alts main WHM.

I love people who never justify their point, “I like it” “yeah but why” “I’ve said what I said have a nice day”, it’s like GCBTW but as a text message

[Rilifane]

It's a mixed bag for me.
I definitely enjoy some classes like BLM and RDM, I also somewhat enjoy Mugger and DNC but I dislike that there's this extreme discrepancy between burst and non-burst. You push all the buttons every 2min and then you're reduced to very boring, basic 123 with the occasional 4 to not overcap.
They solved it a bit better on GNB with the cartridge combo breaking up the monotony.

Healer gameplay is just downright insulting with the one button spam while having very little to heal unless you got a clown fiesta party. They took away engagement in both areas and that needs fixing.

I think overall FFXIV is suited well for proc-based/ priority-based gameplay instead of rigid rotations because the latter tends to become stale quickly with the long GCD.
I dislike the focus on having a lot of same-is "Keep on cooldown/ dump during burst" buttons that have no interaction and the skill ceiling is reached the moment you are able to press a 2min cooldown every 2min.
And I abhor the heavy emphasis on 2min bursts because I think having everything aligned naturally takes away potential for decision making and optimization. The more varied burst windows were far more fun for me.

[BaconBits]

inb4 healer main said "BOOOOOOOOORING"

I don't know, it's quite comfy for me, for all jobs

"I'm gonna preemptively complain about disgruntled healer mains so this thread turns into yet another Healer gameplay is literal gutter trash thread while crowing about how comfy all jobs are for me UwU."

FFS can we not do this provocative bs right off the bat and have an actual discussion about the topic at hand without immediately poking the salty healer beehive?

[GoatOfWar]

inb4 healer main said "BOOOOOOOOORING"

I don't know, it's quite comfy for me, for all jobs

It's almost like the healers are in a horrible place design wise.

[Supersnow845]

"I'm gonna preemptively complain about disgruntled healer mains so this thread turns into yet another Healer gameplay is literal gutter trash thread while crowing about how comfy all jobs are for me UwU."

FFS can we not do this provocative bs right off the bat and have an actual discussion about the topic at hand without immediately poking the salty healer beehive?

Look I’ll be the first to admit I’m salty healer main No.2 behind semihaerge but it’s hard to ask “how do you find the combat” and then expect people who genuinely like playing healers to not say that they hate it, I can give reasons why I think it’s a problem (though I’ve given 10,000 already in as many threads)

It’s just a facet of the fact that healers are so essential to the game and so badly designed, it leaks into all facets of game design outside of hyper job specific threads like Kaiten removal posts

[Semirhage]

You know how you make sure discussions about FFXIV's combat don't devolve into complaining about how unbelievably boring healer gameplay is with quite possibly the worst design I've ever seen in an RPG?

Square Enix would have to........maybe pay attention to the fact that healers are constantly brought up as a blatant stain on this game's combat and fix them.

[BaconBits]

Look I’ll be the first to admit I’m salty healer main No.2 behind semihaerge but it’s hard to ask “how do you find the combat” and then expect people who genuinely like playing healers to not say that they hate it, I can give reasons why I think it’s a problem (though I’ve given 10,000 already in as many threads)

It’s just a facet of the fact that healers are so essential to the game and so badly designed, it leaks into all facets of game design outside of hyper job specific threads like Kaiten removal posts

Oh believe me, I know full well how bad of state Healers are in, I'm just not a fan of the very first reply in the thread taking a jab at people that have every reason to be disappointed in the direction Healers has been going since Shadowbringers. It's just pettiness for the sake of being petty.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It's not the absolute best, but as an MMORPG that I can finally play comfortably on a controller, I say it feels very good to play.

[Dzian]

I still prefer with 1.23 had.

ARR and current combat is just to spammy and lacks weight or real choice / decisions. It's just the same base rotation fight in fight out. And the strategy for every boss is essentially the same..

Outside if maybe a few ground telegraph's or something bosses are basically just giant striking dummies for you to flail away at..

Makes no difference is the boss is a big dragon or giant robot the strategy and rotation is always the same..

So etimes I wonder if that's why so many people are so bad. Because when it's so bland and lifeless there's no engagement in it so just mash keys rather than actually engage with and make choices.