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    Leave SCH Alone

    Surely just because winrates are a little higher doesn't actually mean it deserves a nerf yeah? Surely people who get paid to do multivaried analysis of PvP data wouldn't come to work and say "winrate high, therefore nerf", right?

    Crystal Tier SCH Main btw.
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    Usually that's how it works, but they don't really have to. I would rather buff the other healer jobs to match SCH, to even out the win rate % across all 4. I'm also a SCH main, it can also be that not many ppl play the job, just have a high success in wins. It's like a 90/100 wins and you leave it there. If they don't reset it then it'll keep it as a high win rate so it can be confusing overall. They just need a better reason to make ppl play SCH much much more than the other healer jobs. ..............I never quite ask the top tier pvp players if that data is accurate towards SCH.
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    SCH is always either terrible or the strongest healer It seems to never change
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    I wouldn't mind some adjustments, hopefully if they end up nerfing SCHs main kit, they will compensate at least a little by making mummification less janky to use.
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    It is pretty dumb as SCH in frontline you can just spread dots all game and get free 100 BH like crazy with 0 effort or danger attached to it, that' something that needs a change at least.
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    I'm not understanding the power of SCH I think.
    (I preface this next bit to say that no animosity is meant in my findings, only my outlook.)

    Broil IV hits for nothing
    Mummification is janky and melee'ish range
    Adlo heal and shield isn't worth the gcd
    Expedition speed buff is "kind of" redundant with how sprint works
    The Recitation mechanic being tied to the two longest cooldowns you have is awkward
    And i honestly do not believe that that Biolysis damage or 10% debuff is very threatening

    At least in CC I do not see a reason to bring a SCH over the other healers. FL is an entire different story however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cjhorn View Post
    I'm not understanding the power of SCH I think.
    (I preface this next bit to say that no animosity is meant in my findings, only my outlook.)

    Broil IV hits for nothing
    Mummification is janky and melee'ish range
    Adlo heal and shield isn't worth the gcd
    Expedition speed buff is "kind of" redundant with how sprint works
    The Recitation mechanic being tied to the two longest cooldowns you have is awkward
    And i honestly do not believe that that Biolysis damage or 10% debuff is very threatening

    At least in CC I do not see a reason to bring a SCH over the other healers. FL is an entire different story however.
    Well If you think about 1 vs 1 then sch isn't strong. However think CC as team battle is another story.
    Expedient already sch and near by teammate speed boost + damage taken -10% for 10s + recitation.
    Mummification is strong tool deal 6k damage + 25% nerf healing on 10s targets. So recuperate become heal 12k on target instead 15k.
    Adlo First you mistake with Adlo. Adlo isn't for def or heal But is buff for + 10% dps increase So think it as dps increase buff instead heal at this point you can even call healing n shield just a bonus with a dps buff lol.
    Biolysis is strong as hell without recitation it self is already 15k damage which is equal 1 recuperate 15k with spread is mean you force people to use 1 recuperate already and with recitation is 22,5k damage + 10% nerf damage on target 15s and also dot damage remain full damage before guard on.

    Now you try to combo you ability Expendient + Biolysis+ deployment tactics= AoE 20% def buff without adlo or teammate def cd.
    Now just try image sch with a mch. Adlo with Sch and mch and Recitation Biolysis on target and target use Guard after get hit by Biolysis and mch use Drill with this 5sec guard target take more then 36k damage while in guard with still left 2tick of 4,95k dot. without any LB or another dps support.
    Now try to image adlo with sch and drg LB give damage 33k with 5y and with Biolysis 24,7k dot. Is only with drg LB.
    Sch support toolkit is strong
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    Last edited by Sawamura; 08-18-2022 at 11:00 AM.

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    Yeah, SCH is pretty well balanced in CC. It can't really do a lot on its own, but with any allies nearby it can shine thanks to its heavy support. This of course means you're heavily dependent on your group, but this is true of any support in any PvP mode in any game. IMO there's no point balancing around Frontlines with the kits, since they weren't made with that in mind. However, adding modifiers like 5 targets only I can see working, since that limits the damage that can be done without effecting CC.
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    I can see how SCH could be considered good, it has some great party support with AoE +10% damage dealt, -10% damage taken for allies and -10% damage dealt on enemies while also having a DoT tic on everyone for free damage.

    But I’m surprised to hear people saying it needs a nerf. I preface this with I only play frontlines, but for all it’s support, as a HEALER, I feel like SCH is pretty weak. Adlo heal and shield feel like they do absolutely nothing and that is all you have in your Arsenal for actual healing. Other than that all you have is the LB and that also feels incredibly tame compared to other LBs, I barely feel the impact of my LB when I use it and the having to place it rather than just having your fairy follow you around makes me hesitate to use it as often as I feel like I could.

    Honestly SCH feels more like a support tank than a healer and if it gets any kind of nerfs to it’s utility or damage I hope they make up for it with some increased healing.
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    I think SCH is in a pretty good spot. It might not have good self-peel tools compared to other healers but its entire niche is controlling teamfights towards its favor. I'm actually surprised people call SCH a weak healer when Seraph gives your entire team Excog, another shield, and crowd-control resistance. Combine this with Bio and Adlo and Mummification, it's going to be seriously hard to stop your team. My only issue with SCH is that Seraph takes so freaking long to spawn, she's dancing around for like 3 whole seconds before she actually does something.
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