Please PLEASE make Trusts use AoE

[Luisian320]

They take ridiculously long. 30 Minutes for a single dungeon just because Y'shtola couldn't be bothered to learn Fire II and Ice II is annoying. Even with the worst of players, they take around 20 minutes at best.

[Ilisidi]

Have you considered that that is intentional? They are supposed to be worse than other players to give people an incentive to play with other players when they want speedy runs.

[Risvertasashi]

Best way to use trusts, IMO, is to either take your time experience a dungeon for the first time - soak up the atmosphere and so on - or when you're netflixing/youtubing/otherwise heavily distracted. The longer runs aren't such a drawback then.

Because, otherwise, yes. Speedruns are for player parties.

[Seera1024]

Have you considered that that is intentional? They are supposed to be worse than other players to give people an incentive to play with other players when they want speedy runs.

This. They intentionally are designed to take about 30 minutes to complete.

You can test this out.

Do bare minimum DPS (such as join them in their one target attacking of trash mobs) and time the run. Then go in and aim for highest DPS and time your run. You'll find the runs will be about the same time.

The more DPS you do, the less DPS they do and vice versa.

[SannaR]

Trusts do use AoE. They just don't spam them like we would. Trusts also have attacks they tend to only use when trash at least have been taking too long. It's why Urianger in ShB will occasionally cast death.

[Liam_Harper]

Have you considered that that is intentional? They are supposed to be worse than other players to give people an incentive to play with other players when they want speedy runs.

Putting hours of development resources into a system that you then intentionally sabotage and make less fun so players don't use it too much is awful design. It's a waste of dev time. It means they know roulette chores and grouping with other players isn't fun, so instead of addressing it they make the alternatives no fun either.

It's also been proven to be no issue in Squadrons, which are very fast if you invest in them.

I just avoid dungeons full stop. If my choice is 30 minute slogs, or dealing with other players, I'll go do a Hunt Train.

[Seera1024]

Putting hours of development resources into a system that you then intentionally sabotage and make less fun so players don't use it too much is awful design. It's a waste of dev time. It means they know roulette chores and grouping with other players isn't fun, so instead of addressing it they make the alternatives no fun either.

It's also been proven to be no issue in Squadrons, which are very fast if you invest in them.

I just avoid dungeons full stop. If my choice is 30 minute slogs, or dealing with other players, I'll go do a Hunt Train.

Because their intention is for the following groups of players:

1. Those who play at odd hours - reduces the time they spend waiting for a group to progress the MSQ
2. Players who want a more immersive experience for the MSQ. The Duty Support members do make plot relevant comments as the dungeon progresses
3. Players who have anxiety about grouping with others for whatever reason.
4. Players who may have to suddenly leave a dungeon for things that they can't predict - such as those with some disabilities whose good periods may suddenly end without much warning.

It is obviously a system that enough players used and enough didn't use as they trialed it in Shadowbringers and not only brought it back for Endwalker content, but are adding it to ARR and to the other expansion packs.

If too many used it and increased the queues for players who wanted to group with others too much, I doubt we would have seen an expanding of the Duty Support to ARR, HW, and SB. You need your early game to hook players in. Spending too long in a queue for progressing story would severely damage that ability. If too few were using it, we likely wouldn't have seen it be used outside of ShB at all.

Squadrons I believe you have to put some actual work into getting them and invest in them. So the reward is their speed. I do hope they do expand on that system so that players can choose to invest in the squadron for faster dungeon runs if they so choose.

[Ransu]

Putting hours of development resources into a system that you then intentionally sabotage and make less fun so players don't use it too much is awful design. It's a waste of dev time. It means they know roulette chores and grouping with other players isn't fun, so instead of addressing it they make the alternatives no fun either.

No it isn't. The entire point of the trust system is for story players. If you want to farm something then queue up with players, otherwise deal with the slower runs with the AI.

This is an MMO, you should be playing multiplayer stuff with other players. I'm already annoyed trusts even exist. If they made them as fast or faster than player ran dungeons then why even bother having the game be an MMO? If you want a pure solo experience then go play a single player game.

[Asuka-Hykiri]

This is an MMO, you should be playing multiplayer stuff with other players. I'm already annoyed trusts even exist. If they made them as fast or faster than player ran dungeons then why even bother having the game be an MMO? If you want a pure solo experience then go play a single player game.

So... they should just scrap the solo overhaul they're currently implementing? which would then prove the origional point that its an awful design and a waste of dev time lol

[Ransu]

So... they should just scrap the solo overhaul they're currently implementing? which would then prove the origional point that its an awful design and a waste of dev time lol

There's no solo overhaul, they are just giving solo players an option, which is something I don't really agree with, but whatever. Like I said, if you want to go faster then don't use the trusts. If you don't want to play with other players then stop playing MMO's.