DRK vs. WAR: how do they compare?

[Lyth]

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That's blatantly false. WAR was a mandatory part of every HW group, even when solo tanks were used in Creator speedrun groups. 100% uptime availability on damage down and slashing buffs, highest damage output out of any tank by a sizeable margin, 180 second recast invuln, 120 second recast 30% mitigation when PLD and DRK's were on 180s. Pretty much any semi-decent DRK player was also a PLD player out of necessity in prog, and vice versa. Please stop spreading misinformation.

[Undeadfire]

That's blatantly false. WAR was a mandatory part of every HW group, even when solo tanks were used in Creator speedrun groups. 100% uptime availability on damage down and slashing buffs, highest damage output out of any tank by a sizeable margin, 180 second recast invuln, 120 second recast 30% mitigation when PLD and DRK's were on 180s. Pretty much any semi-decent DRK player was also a PLD player out of necessity in prog, and vice versa. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Didn't that guy from World Prog corrected you before? Stating Drk was hilariously broken.

Or we going back to this argument for the 3rd time? Don't have time with your nonsense.

Edit: You said Pld was solid or better for A7S, however again Drk still defeated.

[Lyth]

There is literally nobody who is going to argue that WAR wasn't a mandatory pick in HW. In fact, I would challenge you to find a single raid fight in HW which the World First clear was done without WAR. The same cannot be said for DRK.

And for your own reference, A1S, A2S, A7S, and A9S were all cleared first using a WAR/PLD comp.

[Axious]

If every job got their pure identities back, we'll likely end up with a meta issue again with some jobs being too crap/broken for current high end content tiers, or Savage/Ultimate becoming too generic and boring. What I mean is, some jobs will not be taken and SE wants to keep the vision every job needs to be clear enabled, it's difficult to do both with such a mass of jobs, either way people are always going to complain. It was a huge issue in HW, Pld vs Drk, and Ast vs Whm.

Sadly we can't have everything, I'm an omni tank so I don't really care which tank is meta I'll main the best ones.

Edit: Don't get me wrong I'll gladly take identities, but this would take insane levels of IQ to give every job one at this point of numbers.

I’ll take 2.0 warrior any day. The timing required with self healing was incredible.
The day they decided to rework war with damage reduction buffs set in stone every tank afterwards.

[Undeadfire]

And for your own reference, A1S, A2S, A7S, and A9S were all cleared first using a WAR/PLD comp.

Not finding history for A1S except by fflogs, Mogtalk only goes Creator.

Fflogs says Drk/War earliest A1S kill. Speed?

A2S is Pld/War, it's an add fight, what do you expect? Can it really be counted as a raid boss?

A7S correct even though far easier than A6S. A9S Angered chose Pld yes.

Anyway since this becoming an ego trip, I'll say this.

Drk permanent Int -10%, Reprisal 20s -10% damage (Against boss) with 10s downtime and easy to activate, Blood Price MP feed, free DPS taking damage. Pld: Autos, physical mechanics (which is rare), that's it, that's all it had than self stuff without much benefits. War was DPS only, DPS loss using Paths.

You must be seriously drunk out of your gourd if you don't find this broken, HW Drk had tools no job has ever come close to in history for mitigations. However on topic, I don't know what I can do for you on identities, this would take mass dedication level to return.

[Lyth]

The reason that you didn't find it was because the A1S WF was actually Lucrezia of Final Coil fame, beating out EM by 7 minutes.

I'm not saying that HW DRK didn't have its advantages. Delirium was essentially Dragon Kick, which was a mandatory debuff. One of the core problems with comps involving PLD was that you were generally expected to bring along a MNK for DK, when you'd much rather bring a NIN (and DRG to boost your ranged). But you'll find it extremely difficult to defend the claim that HW WAR was somehow 'less broken' by any extent of your imagination.

[Undeadfire]

I mean, War only out going was it's DPS and Drk really wasn't that far behind. Ignoring Wars Crit RNG, depending on fights Drk 50+/400+ less against, Drk pushed boundaries with Scourge multi targets (30s dot GCD). Looked through Fflogs.

Ninja was mandatory because Shadewalker allowed more tank DPS, 15s 80% enmity feed, drop tank stances after 3 GCDs, griefing without.

Drk 20% perma mitis, extra DPS taking damage, 20% HP/MP restore from add deaths, vs, Shield blocking, guaranteed shield block, 2 Mins 30s raid wide barrier 10% Paladin HP, Str -10%, vs, High crit tank with a optional storms path for prog (Optimal kills this was not used, occasionally used.), Equil self heal, front only self mitigation (Must not move or remove).

Come on now, Drk is far beyond, I literally raided in Alex Savage during their prime times, you were griefing the team if you didn't bring it than self survival.

[Crater]

The idea that Warrior wasn't laughably, absurdly overpowered in Heavensward is some mind-boggling historical revisionism.

Heavensward tank balance was basically just Stormblood tank balance except with DRK and PLD flipped around. In Heavensward, WAR was the superior tank in basically every way, DRK was WAR's sidekick whose primary advantage was having two party mitigation skills instead of one, and PLD was just kind of bad from top-to-bottom with a handful of niche advantages that never turned out to make up for its overall weakness. In Stormblood, WAR was still the superior tank in basically every way (albeit to a much smaller degree), PLD was WAR's sidekick whose primary advantage was having two party mitigation skills instead of one, and DRK was just kind of bad from top-to-bottom with a handful of niche advantages that never turned out to make up for its overall weakness.

Heavensward DRK was good, but it was appropriately balanced with upsides and downsides. WAR was stupidly overpowered, and PLD was stupidly underpowered.

[Undeadfire]

Well just agree to disagree, really not gonna argue, this isn't the topic.

After experiencing it all Gordias all the way to Creator, I still give it to Drk.

[RyuDragnier]

The issues DRK had were things that they didn't need to gut it for. Spammable Reprisal? Just remove the spammable part. DRK outdoing PLD due to magic mitigation? Shelltron changes in SB fixed that. DRK did not need to be gutted.

But nope, gave Reprisal to every tank, gave Low Blow to every tank DESPITE PLD HAVING A SPAMMABLE STUN AND WAR ALREADY HAVING A STUN ON THE SAME COOLDOWN TIMER AS DRK, giving Dark Dance (Anticipation) to every tank DESPITE WAR ALREADY HAVING 100% PARRY RATE AND PLD HAVING 100% BLOCK RATE, removing the DoT from DRK while keeping PLD's, removing the 2nd combo from DRK while keeping WAR and PLD's, removing the high risk/reward gameplay, etc etc.

I know I'm just repeating myself, but DRK got gutted for no reason, when the playstyle was just fine. Its problems were things that could have been fixed with slight tweaks, not a complete gutting of the kit.