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  1. #161
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ruuma View Post
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    Fairy placement gave me another thing to pay attention to in any encounter. It's also the only job that gets to play with small portion of the pet hotbar anytime they want to without interrupting their uptime. The following are the general thoughts that runs through my mind whenever I'm manning the job:

    "If I place my fairy here, they will be able to non-stop cast Embraces in this pull as opposed to pausing casts while they try to glue themselves to me.. effectively gaining more embraces casts."
    "Oh the party is spreading rather erratically and I won't be able to reach them without risking myself... I need to move the fairy to the east.... juuust a little bit. Yep! Got it, <insert fae ability> will reach everybody now!"


    ...as opposed to just mindlessly pressing 1 button.

    Similarly, ShB AST also had smaller radius Earthly Star (~8y) that can be used in similar fashion. It rewards player for recognizing an encounter. Now? It takes an actual effort to not getting healed thanks to its gigantic radius buff.

    If they take away the so called gameplay nuance aka my fairy placement, I'm gonna be very pissed. So much for the time invested to learn properly placing the pets to squeeze out every single bits of benefits it can offer. Why do they make me waste my time when the right solution is to just keep complaining to devs until they remove something from the job? There are already 3 other healers that do not need think about this, why do I want all 4 to play even more same'y than they already do?
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 09-07-2022 at 06:27 PM.

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  2. #162
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    There are already 3 other healers that do not need think about this, why do I want all 4 to play even more same'y than they already do?
    Because there are people that want to play at WHM level but as the healer of their choice, and denying them that is elitist and toxic, obviously. (I wish I was being sarcastic with this statement)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  3. #163
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    Absurdity's Avatar
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I'm simply still salty about SE changing how the fairy worked in ShB. Sure it was just as clunky in Stormblood, but it had massive advantages which more than made up for it. Then in ShB they claimed to have "improved" the fairy but all they did was keep it just as clunky (it actually felt even more unresponsive), added some extra ability ghosting and removed the unique benefits that it had before.

    Best example was the interaction between deployment tactics and Eos. You could target your fairy with spells but it wouldn't get hit by 99% of mechanics, so you could Adlo the fairy and deploy from it, certain that your shield would be at full strength. Or even better was casting Succer on your party, the fairy would get the shield as well but wouldn't take any damage, and you'd then be able to deploy the Succer from the fairy onto your entire party again.


    Add to that the fact that your fairies abilities were completely separate from your own GCD, allowing you to activate Whispering Dawn, Embrace, Fey Illumination, etc while you yourself were casting something else. Now it has the same restrictions as your own oGCDs but with the additional clunkyness of the pet AI, the only remaining benefit being that it can reach targets that you can't.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 09-08-2022 at 01:42 AM.

  4. #164
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    flowerfairy's Avatar
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    Agnes Nimue
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
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    That's pretty interesting concept and the Fey Brilliance cleans up some button bloat SCH suffers. I don't think Recitation should be the button that grants AF and fey gauge, wasn't Aetherflow already good for that? That button becoming a GCD action might feel awkward if it comes with 2 charges, I know it's supposed to be Aethercharge from ACN but that button also changes your GCD cast time. And Fey Blessing IMO is too bland as it is now, it's just Indom oGCD. If you want to compare it to Expedient I think it should be really something you'd pass up movement for. AoW crit buff is overkill, I'm ok with aoe buttons not being used in boss fights. Libra is cool, I'd call it Tabula Rasa though since Chain Stratagem is supposed to be Libra already.

    Also Meltdown and Kaustra are the same ability!!! One is JP and other is English localization!!!!!

    Add to that the fact that your fairies abilities were completely separate from your own GCD, allowing you to activate Whispering Dawn, Embrace, Fey Illumination, etc while you yourself were casting something else. Now it has the same restrictions as your own oGCDs but with the additional clunkyness of the pet AI, the only remaining benefit being that it can reach targets that you can't.
    I'm so jealous... Sometimes I wish there was a FFXIV 2.x/3.x classic server but that will legitimately kill any interests healers have in current FFXIV.
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  5. #165
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    ty_taurus's Avatar
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    Noah Orih
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    Faerie
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by flowerfairy View Post
    That's pretty interesting concept and the Fey Brilliance cleans up some button bloat SCH suffers. I don't think Recitation should be the button that grants AF and fey gauge, wasn't Aetherflow already good for that? That button becoming a GCD action might feel awkward if it comes with 2 charges, I know it's supposed to be Aethercharge from ACN but that button also changes your GCD cast time. And Fey Blessing IMO is too bland as it is now, it's just Indom oGCD. If you want to compare it to Expedient I think it should be really something you'd pass up movement for. AoW crit buff is overkill, I'm ok with aoe buttons not being used in boss fights. Libra is cool, I'd call it Tabula Rasa though since Chain Stratagem is supposed to be Libra already.

    Also Meltdown and Kaustra are the same ability!!! One is JP and other is English localization!!!!!



    I'm so jealous... Sometimes I wish there was a FFXIV 2.x/3.x classic server but that will legitimately kill any interests healers have in current FFXIV.
    Yeah I'd add some oomph to Whispering Dawn and Fey Blessing as well especially to make them more worth taking over potentially things like expedient on Selene and whatnot. But I just wanted to kinda give a simple breakdown of where my head is at currently.
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