It is not possible to play without doing dps as healer? every day i find someone...

[T-Owl]

Totally possible even in lastest DSR ultimate, but your dps will need to actually doing real dps. Good dps healers deal around 4k dps on dsr. If you only put dots and heal and shoot sometime you are gonna be around 1.9k.it's 2.1k different. if 2 healers do the same so it's just 4.2k diffrent. each dps has to deal 1k more dps which is totally possible. I had a clear with only 2 healers are above avg and all dps were under.

welp to be fair it's much more easier for healers just do more dps to get the missing dps than dps try to milk more of their dps.

The Problem is that it just delays clears because you will be more gear dependent to beat the enrage timer and basically forces DPS into optimal play for the sole benefit of allowing healers to play suboptimally, so its only viable if a party decides to full on carry two healers.

[SaberMaxwell]

Totally possible even in lastest DSR ultimate, but your dps will need to actually doing real dps. Good dps healers deal around 4k dps on dsr. If you only put dots and heal and shoot sometime you are gonna be around 1.9k.it's 2.1k different. if 2 healers do the same so it's just 4.2k diffrent. each dps has to deal 1k more dps which is totally possible. I had a clear with only 2 healers are above avg and all dps were under.

welp to be fair it's much more easier for healers just do more dps to get the missing dps than dps try to milk more of their dps.

Depends on the phase, too. You can absolutely be subpar in p2, p4, p5, and p6 damage-wise but slacking in p3 or p7 especially can lead to some heartbreak. Because fflogs only tallies total endscore though, your rating can hinge on something as simple as how much you took advantage of p2's end and how much you needed to sandbag p2 and p5 to keep mitigation and damage cooldowns from spiraling out of control at certain points.

[Supersnow845]

The fact it’s even possible to carry sub-optimal healers and the fact that outside of maybe P6 the regen healer sub role is just completely redundant shows how much healers are just a pile of garbage in this game

[FireMage]

Just because it's possible doesn't mean it should be done

[Supersnow845]

Just because it's possible doesn't mean it should be done

That’s not the point I’m making

It shouldn’t be possible, why is one role considered so useless you can drag it kicking and screaming through the hardest content in the game (possibly ever except maybe launch UCOB) and a brand new sub role split is even more damn useless in that one half of it is literally completely irrelevant

[vetch]

Then maybe play a game where the healer role is focussed on exactly that, purely healing and buffing players?

Point out the game that all my friends are already playing which does that.

I mean, in this case it comes off like you just make an ass of yourself by falling back on a playstyle that is not supported by FF14. FF14 strongly pushes a dps focussed playstyle on healers due to the fact that in most scenarios, you can just perfectly heal your party inbetween dps casts and even if you deliberatley chose to not use your ogcd toolkit, which would be like a dps just spamming their 1-2-3 combo, there isn't enough to heal to be constantly focussed on doing that. I think soon upcoming Wrath of the Lich King Classic still leans towards pure healer playstyles in its design and you have classes like Shaman or Paladin who have strong supportive toolkits.

Honestly, class fantasy can only go as far when you're playing your role in a team in multiplayer game. In a single player alone sure, do what you want, but in a party with other players you can't just go "in my mind this classs should be doing this so I'll play like this", you play it like it's supposed to be played it. Outside of roleplay, you go by class mechanics as designed.

Thank you for reading my posts where I already said I do green DPS 95% of the time, I'm just bored by DPS. It's boring.

And if you don't like how a class workds becaue it breaks your fantasy...play another?

Point out the FF14 class that meets the 'healing, buffing, and encounter control' class fantasy.

[SieyaM]

The Healers who just adamantly refuse to do any dps are the bad company though. As long as the tank plays average and isn't underequipped, it is possible to heal dungeon pulls, even wall to wall pulls, fully through ogcds in between dps casts. Not using ones ogcd toolkit to aspire towards optimal performance is basically the equivalent of a dps only using their 1-2-3 combos and ignoring any skills they get after level 30. Or in the case of tank, a no-dps healer would be the equivalent of a tank who just uses his offensive abilities to keep aggro and otherwise stands still and casts defensives. Like, they technically do their job, the dps is still dpsing and the tank is holding aggro and surviving, but I think nobody would deny that this is kinda shit and anti-social behavior because you are disrespecting the time and effort of your team mates. Only with the Healer Role, we have this sense of entitlement to just play plain bad, not contributing to the team effort and ignoring most of ones toolkit. So yeah, it is a selfish-entitled mentality and players shouldn't be forced to play with toxic, entitled people.

In the Case of the OP, their stated their excuse was being an "oldschool-healer", which sounds at best like being lazy and willfully bad at the game through refusal to adapt to modern gameplay design or at worst like toxic entitlement to do the least because it fits some wish-fullfillment fantasy. Nobody was giving them shit for feeling incapable of doing dps while healing due to health-issues through, people just recommended just stating this outright as people will be much more understanding than towards a pure old-school healer (especially since WoW Classic has proven to the world that the hardcore oldschool mentality is just plain sucking at the gaming) and they gave even helpful advice how they can adjust to playing more optimally despite physical limitations, like getting a cheap mmo-mouse that makes utilizing more buttons more easy or just playing with mouse clicks.

So you aren't supposed to regen on the tank? That is a GCD ability after all.

[Hellebore_Ghrian]

So you aren't supposed to regen on the tank? That is a GCD ability after all.

Indeed, you aren't.

Asylum, assize, temperance mitigation, holy stun and dps neutral lilies are more than enough to keep a tank alive if the tank is at least decent.

[Supersnow845]

So you aren't supposed to regen on the tank? That is a GCD ability after all.

I mean WHM Is the obvious exception because it has so few oGCD’s because square thinks “GCD healer” is an identity but no you don’t really need even regen, it’s not as egregious as say the diagnosis mages I get in expert but it’s still a GCD heal you don’t need

[GoatOfWar]

I mean WHM Is the obvious exception because it has so few oGCD’s because square thinks “GCD healer” is an identity but no you don’t really need even regen, it’s not as egregious as say the diagnosis mages I get in expert but it’s still a GCD heal you don’t need

And it manages to be the least fun healer to play because of that. This game's gcd is too long for such an ''identity'' to exist.