It is not possible to play without doing dps as healer? every day i find someone...

[FakeCirka]

If you think that people who do damage on healers are also your freestyle DPS players then I’m not sure what to tell you honestly, doing damage as a healer shows you know how to play the game

Never once said people who do damage on healers are also freestyle dps players.

This is to say nothing of heals that actually benefit from a tank being lower, ED, excog and benediction all benefit from the tank being lower with taurochole and holos getting more benefit assuming the upfront heal is not wasted. Keeping a tank lower for damage shows you understand the tanks, if a WAR is at 20% but I know bloodwhetting is coming in about 5 seconds then he can sit at 20% and heal himself, same as GNB with not excog or DRK with his invuln

Even though the wording is pretty all over the place, I understand what you are trying to say, but again, you are not actually understanding what I wrote. I'm assuming English is perhaps your second language, which is fine and I am not trying to bash you for that, but my comment was more directed towards the healers who keep players extremely low and then let them die.

And on the subject of raid enrage timers, a zero DPS healer is only going to be carried by DPS gear bloat, the two healers combined do about 20% of the raids damage

I think we can both agree that a zero DPS healer really shouldn't be doing things such as savage content, but I hard disagree that DPS cannot make enrage if the healer is not DPSing when played perfectly.

[Supersnow845]

Never once said people who do damage on healers are also freestyle dps players.



Even though the wording is pretty all over the place, I understand what you are trying to say, but again, you are not actually understanding what I wrote. I'm assuming English is perhaps your second language, which is fine and I am not trying to bash you for that, but my comment was more directed towards the healers who keep players extremely low and then let them die.



I think we can both agree that a zero DPS healer really shouldn't be doing things such as savage content, but I hard disagree that DPS cannot hit enrage if the healer is not DPSing when played perfectly.

No English is my first language your comments premise just doesn’t make any reasonable sense

Your comment says that somehow letting people die on a healer while doing damage is a reason that people should be fine with others not doing damage and that the push for DPS on healers is causing more deaths than heal botting or even just the “only do damage when the tank is about x percentage” philosophy which both completely ignores the idea that cure mages are often the absolute worst healers in the game and even then a healer doing DPS with one wipe is still faster than a zero DPS healer. On top of this it completely ignores the role the tank plays in this, if I left you drop extremely low and you have your invuln up and don’t use it that wipe is your fault not the healers fault, encouraging tanks to actually use their invuln is 100% something I do as a healer. On the subject of “only do damage above x percentage” that still ignores your wealth of oGCD’s and the oGCD’s I mentioned, healers are designed to do damage, not do damage when it’s convenient

And no you will not clear without healer DPS unless the DPS are close to BIS, P8 has an evil DPS check it can barely be cleared by world first teams with one damage down let alone zero healer DPS

[FakeCirka]

No English is my first language your comments premise just doesn’t make any reasonable sense

Your comment says that somehow letting people die on a healer while doing damage is a reason that people should be fine with others not doing damage and that the push for DPS o

Read up to here before I stopped. Again, didn't say that, you just can't read properly. I won't bother replying to someone who just wants to argue lol. Have a nice weekend though.

[Supersnow845]

Read up to here before I stopped. Again, didn't say that, you just can't read properly. I won't bother replying to someone who just wants to argue lol. Have a nice weekend though.

Okay sure if you want to make unsubstantiated points then tell other people “you just don’t get my point” then go ahead

[Garten]

I did a dungeon once, like One of the Firsts, dont Remember wich, where the whm were only pressing cure once in a while and then the emote Flex for the entirety of the dungeon, like Literally a hundred times.. i was playing on the ps4 that day and i could not get a volte kick through.. i usually NEVER care if the healer does not DPS, but that ppl, did not know why, really made me a bit mad cause i thought: if he can Press an emote, he can Press a Stone once in a while .

[ThorneDynasty]

I did a dungeon once, like One of the Firsts, dont Remember wich, where the whm were only pressing cure once in a while and then the emote Flex for the entirety of the dungeon, like Literally a hundred times.. i was playing on the ps4 that day and i could not get a volte kick through.. i usually NEVER care if the healer does not DPS, but that ppl, did not know why, really made me a bit mad cause i thought: if he can Press an emote, he can Press a Stone once in a while .

Hey at least they were doing something instead of just standing around or pretending healing 99% health players is keeping then busy or whatever is the hell it is that stops sylphies from contributing anything.

[ty_taurus]

What essentially keeps happening in these forums is someone comes along and says some combination of the same old "but healers don't need to heal to clear," "but SE says healers should just heal," "but the primary goal of healers is to keep the party alive" and for reasons XYZ, that's why healers shouldn't be expected to DPS. Then the rest of us come in and say no, actually that's not how this game is functionally designed. DPS is a responsibility of healers, and any player who refuses to contribute is griefing, and then you get pages of arguments about how that's an attack on low skill players or players with disability.

I need an industrial crane to try and reach the conclusions people jump to on these forums. I'm sure there are trolly players who harass others in game one way or another on their skill because it's an online game. Welcome to the internet. But beyond those fringe examples...

No. One. Has. EVER. Complained. About. Low. Skill. Or. Low. Ability. Players. Not. DPSing. On. These. Forums. EVER.

Every time the conversation is brought up, it's about denouncing poor logic designed to defend griefing behavior without attacking learning or low skill play.

[Niki_Hope]

Well, I have lurked in this forum a long time, as you can see by my post count, I literally made my account to post to this.
FFXIV has one of the BEST communities in a MMO in my opinion. I would like to hope it would stay that way, but I have noticed more and more rudeness towards players in general. I wish people could be more understanding and realize even IF the tank is bad or healer doesn't dps, or the dps doesn't do proper rotations, it's just not going to add that much more time to the dungeon. If someone is clearly afking and dancing or w/e (I literally had a healer take a SHOWER during Prea) Just communicate with the party and remove them. And if all else fails, click U, click leave party, and it is over.

[Supersnow845]

Well, I have lurked in this forum a long time, as you can see by my post count, I literally made my account to post to this.
FFXIV has one of the BEST communities in a MMO in my opinion. I would like to hope it would stay that way, but I have noticed more and more rudeness towards players in general. I wish people could be more understanding and realize even IF the tank is bad or healer doesn't dps, or the dps doesn't do proper rotations, it's just not going to add that much more time to the dungeon. If someone is clearly afking and dancing or w/e (I literally had a healer take a SHOWER during Prea) Just communicate with the party and remove them. And if all else fails, click U, click leave party, and it is over.

Why is intentionally not doing your job as the game is designed to the point that you add time to the instance for other people not considered rude (again not discussing people who are intentionally trying or actually struggling, it’s pretty easy to see which is which) but asking people “hey healers can DPS when there is little healing to be done” considered rude

If you don’t want to contribute then play with trusts, don’t sandbag then get angry someone calls you out on it, healer DPS is not gigabrain literally anyone can attempt it if they want to and if you try and something goes wrong good on you for trying