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    Player Hurlstone's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    To me it almost always feels like people trying to paint things in black and white, because they cant understand grey. Even though they say they love when characters and stories have grey moralities anyway and do a bunch of mental gymnastics over why Venat is the worst piece of scum ever, unlike our lord and saviors Emet-Selch, Lahabrea, Elidibus etc etc etc. I feel like there was at least some optional dialogue with the Scions where they did talk about Hyadaelyn's actions and how they ultimately felt about it but I could be wrong, but I somehow recall reading that.
    Could you be thinking of the 6.1 Omega quests? I do feel I should replay Endwalker sometime, be it on NG+ or an alt, to see if there are moments like that I missed. But yeah. I never felt to me that they tried to make Hydaelyn the saint some people think we see her as. I personally see the Ascian’s as great examples of villains who have suffered and genuinely believe they are in the right, but I also see Veant/Hyde as a character who had to make a horrible choice for the greater good. Sure, perhaps the writing does not equally assign blame or shame but… in the end, this is a Final Fantasy story. Often they do end up as pure ‘Good Vs Evil’ fabels (See the whole Light vs Chaos motif common in several games and spin-offs) and at least XIV has taken great steps to show that its really not so black and white. Its one of the reasons why I rank it so highly as a MMO and FF game.

    At the very least declaring oneself a fan of Venat should not really be seen as somehow more immoral as calling oneself a fan of Ascians...


    Anyway back to 6.2 stuff, yeah I'm very excited for mystery reaper lady, and there's a good chance that she winds up being the elusive 1.0 fem-Meteor design people have been wanting finally being a canon character (due to how similar her face and hair looks from the short glimpses we see in the trailer).
    Quote Originally Posted by Denishia View Post
    Until we learn more about her, the neatest factoid about reaper lady is that she seems to be deliberately modeled after the Female Hyur default, much the same as Ardbert and company. Refuse to read too much into that, and I doubt she'll get more screen time than Lyna, at best Yugiri - but I echo the sentiment of delight to have another female melee dps-focused NPC.
    Wait, there was a possible fem-Meteor design!? I did not know that! That would be awesome... plus if thats true, it could mean she has a even more important role and connection to our WoL then I first thought. I have never been a fan of the idea that MMO/RPG media has a 'canon' archetype for a player character, but I do like how FFXIV can use this in regards to the Shards. I know, should not read too much into it all but what can I say? In deepest despair I prefer to look for the light everlasting. Bring on the 23th!
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    Until we learn more about her, the neatest factoid about reaper lady is that she seems to be deliberately modeled after the Female Hyur default, much the same as Ardbert and company. Refuse to read too much into that, and I doubt she'll get more screen time than Lyna, at best Yugiri - but I echo the sentiment of delight to have another female melee dps-focused NPC.
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    Things don't appear hopeful to me based on the trailer. Pandemonium looks like more "Ancients bad" while the Scions continue to simp for Hydaelyn* and we're probably going to move Heaven and Earth to rescue Azdaja because after 5k years of being stuck in the void there's no way that Vrtra should have to "forge ahead", that's only for other people not aligned with the WoL.

    * This is why there's no such thing as Venat being as bad as the Ascians. I don't see Y'shtola handing the WoL Emet's memory crystal and saying who better to have it than the person he trusted with his legacy. This also implies, as I suspected, that the Omega chain was ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things unless they surprise me with dialog options to reject anything further to do with her.

    Ultimately, as long as they continue to paint an entire people of somehow being deserving of genocide, the person responsible for it as some kind of hero, and the themes never applying to the WoL & Friends there's no way for me to take this team's storytelling seriously anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rulakir View Post
    Things don't appear hopeful to me based on the trailer. Pandemonium looks like more "Ancients bad" while the Scions continue to simp for Hydaelyn* and we're probably going to move Heaven and Earth to rescue Azdaja because after 5k years of being stuck in the void there's no way that Vrtra should have to "forge ahead", that's only for other people not aligned with the WoL.

    * This is why there's no such thing as Venat being as bad as the Ascians. I don't see Y'shtola handing the WoL Emet's memory crystal and saying who better to have it than the person he trusted with his legacy. This also implies, as I suspected, that the Omega chain was ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things unless they surprise me with dialog options to reject anything further to do with her.

    Ultimately, as long as they continue to paint an entire people of somehow being deserving of genocide, the person responsible for it as some kind of hero, and the themes never applying to the WoL & Friends there's no way for me to take this team's storytelling seriously anymore.
    Pretty sure he gave his sister up for dead, refusing to go look sooner because of the danger the void gate might pose to his people and the scions and his people have given him the okay to at least try and look for her but hey, that's only what the game presented and who needs that right.

    Probably because we don't have it, Elidbus does and hes very dead and we have no idea what became of the crystals. Hell Eme'ts final little speech to us is the entire reason we even go looking for that treasure vault in the first place.
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    Favelas in Thavnair? Am I reading that right? Thavnair is based on India, and it's not like we don't get big houses. Since it's mercantile it doubtless will have rich homes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    Favelas in Thavnair? Am I reading that right? Thavnair is based on India, and it's not like we don't get big houses. Since it's mercantile it doubtless will have rich homes.
    RAH

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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    RAH

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    Wow! That new version of g-mod is looking great! :^O
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    Island island iceland icecream unga bunga want to build fire.
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    I've got a question since people are talking about genocide. Did Hydaelyn actually kill anyone when she split existence into 14 pieces? As I understood it, separated people, soul, body, and planet. Made 14 lesser versions of each in 14 different states of existence. If not, how could civilizations still remember ancients?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetsujin View Post
    I've got a question since people are talking about genocide. Did Hydaelyn actually kill anyone when she split existence into 14 pieces? As I understood it, separated people, soul, body, and planet. Made 14 lesser versions of each in 14 different states of existence. If not, how could civilizations still remember ancients?
    It's the Ancients that want to sacrifice themselves to save their world by primal, but Venat stopped them and sunder the world to stop their nonsense... (Correct me if I'm wrong)
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