Thread: Predictions from the Patch 6.2 Trailer & Patch Website

Originally Posted by Gogoglovitch

A couple of things from freeze-framing the trailer: at 2:15, we see what looks for all the world like Ferdiad, along with a headless horseman-type enemy and the WoL and a lance-wielding Varshahn. Just from the way they're positioned, I suspect that this is a trash pull in Troia. Which brings up the question -- are we fighting the real Ferdiad yet again (as a trash mob, no less), or is this the first case of his model being reused? (I believe Forgiven Rebellion uses his skeleton, but I don't think anything else has used his model at all.)

The horseman might be Anchag, who was the first boss in Amdapor Keep (Hard) where Ferdiad made his initial appearance, so having the two show up as a dual boss would be a nice thematic nod to that.

I feel like they're probably not the only familiar faces we'll run into there if Troia is the same "court of the void" where the upper echelons of the voidsent hierarchy are said to convene for reasons unknown.

Originally Posted by Cilia

The Allagans and Mhachi, at least, seemed to have better technology than we do capable of opening voidgates, so some of the more powerful voidsent we've fought might have been the real deal (namely Diabolos and Scathach), but it's entirely up in the air. If nothing else it looks like Ferdiad is back for a third bout; make of that what you will.

Ferdiad confirmed to be Hermes's shard from the 13th. Joking aside, he's a "clown" trying to "entertain" us and kill us at the same time...like Amon.

I don't think we knew 100% that if you defeated something from the void on the source that it just went back to the void until now. Thus the how the void and voidsent work PowerPoint presentation during 6.1.

It is depending on how they come, for example, Calo was mere half voidsent as it was a mhachi mage that mutated herself. Diabolos seems to have been summoned several times and seemingly with his actual body by whatever pact was used... as far as i understood, by accident and natural rifts they can only sent their soul and part of their power, depending on the size of the rift, while a summoning opens a gate which can also bring their body...? Im not fully sure, it might be that its actually really just their soul and much like our friends at the first, they create an ghost body.

If some Gargoyle is using a stone statue, i doubt their actual body is affected.

Originally Posted by Lord_Umbra

Unfortunately they're not only locked behind 5 Role Quest but also behind Warring Triad so unless the remove these or make WT mandatory & remove Role quest needed for Void quest I don't see those two playing any part in this other maybe a small side quest for those who have done Void Quest.

Honestly i wanna slap whoever had that BS idea... its so much story leading no where as its basically not existent... >_>

Imagine we actually purify the void and dont even bother telling em cause they forgot to update the npcs lol

Originally Posted by Kuroka

Honestly i wanna slap whoever had that BS idea... its so much story leading no where as its basically not existent... >_>

Imagine we actually purify the void and dont even bother telling em cause they forgot to update the npcs lol

You're thinking in the wrong direction: it's not 'we might fix the void and they'll be left without a story', it's 'these guys are the only ones that could possibly fix the void, because it is their story to do it'.

The prospect of fixing the void isn't gonna be something anyone can just do, anyway, for simple logistical reasons if nothing else: the Thirteenth no longer being the World of Darkness means that voidsent can no longer be used, at all. This chokes out any stories you could want to tell around them with, say, Mhachi or Gelmorran ruins just as an example. But it also, as I mentioned before, completely breaks Reaper; if there are no more voidsent, Reaper no longer functions, because either the Avatar is dead or a largely mundane regular dude.

What is plausible, though, is finding a way to start that work while acknowledging that it's going to take time before we see results. Like Eden, basically. And I think exactly that is going to be what we see happen with Unukalhai and Cylva; they'll strike gold (probably with our help after we discover something in the 6.x quests), but it won't be an immediate fix, just an assured one; the Thirteenth is still the Void for all intents and purposes for the greater story, but there's hope for the future and potential further hooks for the story of furthering its recovery.

In the epilogue to the Shadowbringers role quests 'The Hero's Journey', Traynor refers to Voidgates as 'Hollows' when teaching Unukalhai how to open them. That's also the phrase used to describe the upgraded forms that we fight during the Shadow of Mhach raid series (Ferdiad Hollow/Diabolos Hollow). I think the strength of a particular voidsent on the Source depends on the manner of their summoning.

The Diabolos Armament codex entry states that in order to summon a more powerful voidsent, you need a suitably powerful host, which is why the Allagans built warmachina with genetically engineered components for that purpose. But I wonder if simply summoning the same Gargoyle except into a more 'powerful' statue gets you a more powerful manifestation on the Source.

There's also the question of how the contracts themselves work, and whether it's more beneficial for them to come across through a contract or simply walk through a large enough portal.

If the direction they are going in 7.0 will become apparent (only) in 6.5, then I don't think this void stuff is massively related to the route they are taking. Unless Yoshi-p thinks we are absolute idiots, which he probably does. I'm more confident in more dragons instead, thus Meracydia.

Either way, 6.5 needs to end at a place where they can somewhat comfortably leave the game in until the release of 7.0 which might or most likely will see (several) delays. Most last post-patches leave us in a pretty safe place, not in the aftermath of a cataclysmic event like a rejoining. Unless the rejoining of thirteenth is more gradual or has completely unforeseen effects this time around since it is just a void, not a shard, I don't believe in a rejoining -> calamity thing for 7.0