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    Player SentioftheHoukai's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Let me just preface this by saying I agree that's a plausible if not probable conclusion given foreshadowing is rarely subtle in this game and I have a tendency to overthink. That said...



    The "dream" at the beginning of 6.1 is, as far as we can tell, just a "Meanwhile, in the Void..." scene like we get repeatedly during Shadowbringers (and occasionally during Endwalker).

    Our contact with Ardbert (who was nothing more than a soul at that point; Reaper Lady still has a body, just twisted by excess Astral / Dark aether) was the beginning of a rejoining, more like than not; he only does so again when going through with it, so I don't know where the idea that coming into contact with Voidsent Reaper Lady will rebalance her soul and mend her mangled body comes from (porxies can plausibly fix the former, the latter has yet to be remedied at any point through any method).

    Zenos was able to steal our body due to our soul having been ripped out and stuffed into a random Garlean soldier by way of Aulus' technology and Zenos' mastery of the Echo allowing him to use the same powers as the Ascians to body surf. It only works for a limited time because Aulus' tech doesn't last forever, but.

    Nobody attempted to possess Ardbert's corpse before Elidibus did so; presumably any of the Ancients could have done so before he rejoined with the PC, but there was never reason to. And given he was physically dead for a century his body should have been in a state of significant decay, but that's neither here nor there.

    Rest is jumping to conclusions...
    I'm not so sure about that. I think Raiya may actually be onto something here. Why else would we get the "Meanwhile...." cutscene after we doze off for seemingly no reason during Tataru's words? Seems like enough to build a speculation on to me.

    Also, unless I'm mistaken we don't actually GET a "Meanwhile" subtitle for that particular scene which breaks the previously established mold already.

    Quote Originally Posted by RicaRuin View Post
    I would be very salty if we restore the Void in the MSQ, because that's what Cylva and Unukalhai want to do and since they're locked behind both a Trial line plus Extremes and all of the Shadowbringers Role Quests, they'll never be added to MSQ.
    Same. I really don't want them to magically fix the Void in the patch content. That'd be a total waste of a good potential plotline. If they can make an expansion out of the The First (which had arguably LESS landmass to include) then can we not get one of The Thirteenth as well? Please and thank you, Yoshida and Square?
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    Last edited by SentioftheHoukai; 08-16-2022 at 03:28 AM. Reason: Missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SentioftheHoukai View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. I think Raiya may actually be onto something here. Why else would we get the "Meanwhile...." cutscene after we doze off for seemingly no reason during Tataru's words? Seems like enough to build a speculation on to me.

    Also, unless I'm mistaken we don't actually GET a "Meanwhile" subtitle for that particular scene which breaks the previously established mold already.
    The PC implicitly falls asleep because they're just waiting for Tataru to finish the Wayfarer's set she's making for them.

    We don't get a "Meanwhile..." scene here because it's meant to portray the passage of time. The scene could be interpreted as a dream, but it's replayed and extended later in 6.1, this time without either the "Meanwhile..." framing or the plausible explanation that it's a dream. It just happens, no context.

    I'm not saying this isn't an in-universe dream (it might be), but either way taking it as evidence Voidsent Reaper Woman is an inheritor of an "Azem" soul fragment is jumping to a conclusion. The foreshadowing is rarely subtle in this game and I have a tendency to overthink, but it's natural to try and draw connections even when they aren't necessarily there - there was rampant speculation Unukalhai was the Azem fragment from the Thirteenth, though aside from an optional scene that plays if you've completed the Warring Triad quests he's been forgotten by the narrative, just as an example.
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    What do you think the story of the Sil'dih dungeon could be? Maybe Nanamo is looking to make the truth of its history public?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    What do you think the story of the Sil'dih dungeon could be? Maybe Nanamo is looking to make the truth of its history public?
    There has to be some reason for her wanting to go now, so perhaps she came into possession of something that opens the doors, and wants us along to help her explore its depths?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier View Post
    What do you think the story of the Sil'dih dungeon could be? Maybe Nanamo is looking to make the truth of its history public?
    The implication I got was that there are multiple stories in the Sil'dih dungeon, dependent on what route you take.

    Given one of the bosses is a minotaur like we saw from Copperbell, I'm guessing the broad approach is 'learn about the stuff that Ul'Dah doesn't want to acknowledge'. Which tracks perfectly with Nanamo wanting to come along, she's not the sort to leave those stones unturned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    The implication I got was that there are multiple stories in the Sil'dih dungeon, dependent on what route you take.

    Given one of the bosses is a minotaur like we saw from Copperbell, I'm guessing the broad approach is 'learn about the stuff that Ul'Dah doesn't want to acknowledge'. Which tracks perfectly with Nanamo wanting to come along, she's not the sort to leave those stones unturned.
    One of the other screenshots has houses built similarly to the ones the Amalja lived in so I’d say you’re on the money there.
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    So we're definitely getting Barbariccia as the trial this patch, given Esteinien says "You're not the only one who can ride the wind." like Kain does in FFIV. Still convinced Scarmiglione is going to be the first and last boss of the dungeon (first form and undead form) and the trial series is going to be the Archfiends + Golbez.

    The reaper being Zenos' avatar is a good guess, but I'm not particularly convinced that's what she's gonna be.

    Have no clue what's going on in Pandæmonium so I won't even hazard a guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero-ELEC View Post
    So we're definitely getting Barbariccia as the trial this patch, given Esteinien says "You're not the only one who can ride the wind." like Kain does in FFIV.

    Went over the trailer again and it might be a red herring - I'm pretty confident he says 'You're not the only ones that can ride the wind!'. The reference is there without question, but the plural throws me off.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

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    Noticed the plural so my prediction is that the scenario is far more mundane - there seems to be a flock of the Anitoch-type mobs from Lost City of Amdapor mid-tier boss, and that to get up to a floating area - perhaps Troia - we all jump onto the creatures' back to hijack a ride. That shade of lavender also looks the same as to what Estinien and us are riding in the trailer.
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    I'm feeling like Lahabrea is probably going to be the final boss of Abyssos due to having temporarily fallen victim to the same shenanigans the other warders did, judging from how some of the later trailer quotes would be fit for him and the setting.

    An easy route for the savage only phase would be to just have him use his transformative magicks since he's powerful enough to put up a fight without it unlike Eric.
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    Last edited by KageTokage; 08-13-2022 at 05:38 PM.

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