Predictions from the Patch 6.2 Trailer & Patch Website

**Cilia** · 08-20-2022 08:10 PM

While there are memory stones for both the unsundered and sundered Ascians, the unsundered ones' served a different purpose; the sundered ones' were made to raise their sundered reflections to their former office, while the unsundered ones' helped them retain their sense of self over the aeons. Problem is both Lahabrea and Elidibus neglected to use theirs after a certain point; Lahabrea lost himself to mania, while Elidibus succumbed to his programming as a primal. Only Emet-Selch used his regularly enough to hold on to who he was before the Sundering.

Lahabrea was, however, much weaker than either due to his frequent body hopping.

**EaraGrace** · 08-21-2022 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Cilia

Lahabrea was, however, much weaker than either due to his frequent body hopping.

I would put money down that this will be changed by Pandaemonium. I can see a giant flashing “ADDITIVE RETCON FITS HERE” sign xD.

**RyuDragnier** · 08-21-2022 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by EaraGrace

I would put money down that this will be changed by Pandaemonium. I can see a giant flashing “ADDITIVE RETCON FITS HERE” sign xD.

At this point it's the only way to make us feel anything for him, considering he was a stereotypical crazy mustache twirling villain before now.

**SannaR** · 08-21-2022 04:40 AM

Not sure this fits better here or in why does Solus look like Emet thread. But what I guess I don't quite understand is how Elidibus when he starts to regain memories is how he ends up remembering the WoL being the one to show up on Elpis to help deal with Pandeamonium. I know it might be a case of thinking too deeply about this stuff. And yet don't we get told the memory crystals of the convocation are memories about said person and their seat function? So, how would Lahabreha and/or Elidibus's own stones have that information if they're supposed to be memories from others about themselves? Or are there also personal memories in those stones? Can't wait to learn what's going to ensue in a few days.

**Kesey** · 08-21-2022 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by SannaR

Not sure this fits better here or in why does Solus look like Emet thread. But what I guess I don't quite understand is how Elidibus when he starts to regain memories is how he ends up remembering the WoL being the one to show up on Elpis to help deal with Pandeamonium. I know it might be a case of thinking too deeply about this stuff. And yet don't we get told the memory crystals of the convocation are memories about said person and their seat function? So, how would Lahabreha and/or Elidibus's own stones have that information if they're supposed to be memories from others about themselves? Or are there also personal memories in those stones? Can't wait to learn what's going to ensue in a few days.

It doesn't matter what memories are on Elidibus's stone, he was already transformed into a primal when he became Zodiark's heart. So he will only ever react to his primal functioning and it will never matter what's on the stone.

**RukoBoshi** · 08-22-2022 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by EaraGrace

I would put money down that this will be changed by Pandaemonium. I can see a giant flashing “ADDITIVE RETCON FITS HERE” sign xD.

Yeah, the fact that there seem to be a crazy alter ego of Lahabrea in Pandaemonium makes me think that they are going to retcon Lahabrea going crazy to actually be him unearthing his crazy self that was already there.

So we will have a good lahabrea helping us during the raid, and his crazy version that will end up fusing with him, becoming dormant, and slowly awaken as lahabrea hop between bodies.

**sidurgu-12** · 08-22-2022 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Yeah, the fact that there seem to be a crazy alter ego of Lahabrea in Pandaemonium makes me think that they are going to retcon Lahabrea going crazy to actually be him unearthing his crazy self that was already there.

So we will have a good lahabrea helping us during the raid, and his crazy version that will end up fusing with him, becoming dormant, and slowly awaken as lahabrea hop between bodies.

i wouldn't be against it if they go that route. if they pull it off (and i think they can) itd be really cool.

**SannaR** · 08-22-2022 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kesey

It doesn't matter what memories are on Elidibus's stone, he was already transformed into a primal when he became Zodiark's heart. So he will only ever react to his primal functioning and it will never matter what's on the stone.

Yes he became a primal. Yet he still had his own memories that slowly faded away until only the function of his office and the need/want of Salvation were left. Except the side story hints that he would have kept some knowledge of himself if he had looked at the stones. That and he starts to remember things soon after his defeat. What doesn't make sense is how does he remember that it was the WoL and not Azem he saw and was helped by with Pandeamonium. Emet wouldn't know or at least would somehow think it would have been Azem. Same for Lahabreha. Unless Lahabreha ends up finding out that Themis isn't being helped out by Azem but by a "familiar" that might as well be Azem. Which must have been on a memory stone. As the kick off for the memory regain is from us giving him the 13 convocation memory stones.

**Cleretic** · 08-22-2022 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by sidurgu-12

i wouldn't be against it if they go that route. if they pull it off (and i think they can) itd be really cool.

It might also be more satisfying. If we hear 'Lahabrea went crazy over time' then that creates three potential Lahabrea States we could see (well, realistically it'd be more of a spectrum since he went mad over time, but that'd be complicated): the 'completely nuts' state we've already seen, the 'sane' version we probably will see, and the 'losing it' state we will never see. If it turns out that there's an actual event in Pandaemonium that made him snap, though, then we get both pre- and post-crazy Lahabrea as well as a front-row seat to the event that caused it.

Realistically, I don't think we'll see any sort of 'retcon' so much as a 'coloring-in', if you get what I mean. Emet's description of Lahabrea going mad came in Tales from the Shadows, and what we know of dev cycles says that by the time that story was penned, Pandaemonium would've at least been getting planned; they'd have known they'd be telling this story soon enough. So I expect that what we're gonna learn about Lahabrea isn't going to outright contradict that story, but rather is instead going to provide more context; perhaps show exactly what degrades over constant body-hopping, that maybe Lahabrea was more susceptible to it because of reasons, or perhaps a reason why he would've gone so much harder on body-hopping anyway (maybe finding a believable excuse to constantly live with sundered versions of Athena or something).

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