Thread: FYI YoshiP did an interview on Famitsu re 6.2

Originally Posted by Kazhar

They literally said in the interview that it will be similar to ARR/HW style of relic, which is pretty much the nadir of engaging endgame content.

But some people were really eager to run Crystal Tower 50 times again instead of trying something new, so good for them I guess.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

It’s literally more content and offers square a way to experiment with new skill design and have people be able to do things outside of their role id much prefer that than “go clear crystal tower 86 times for these books so you relic gets stronger”

You say that as if the Bozja relics didn't still have a step that heavily encourages people to run Crystal Tower fifteen times in a row, and then in a separate step afterwards (so you can't just run the alliance roulette and make use of whatever you get) the Mhach and Ivalice raids five times each – right now before you can do any more progress in actual Bozja zones. And token drop balance still encouraging you to do FATEs elsewhere instead of within Bozja.

Plus it has the uneven "do any raid from this list for equal progress value" approach that leads to an excessive amount of the easiest raid in the set, instead of at least being forced to run every step once like the older relics giving you a unique bauble from each.

Am I the only one who thinks they are still figuring things out for the remaining 6.X series and 7.0 isn't as far as long as it should be? No way 7.0 is coming out Holiday 2023...I am beginning to wonder if it is a Summer 2024 release.

Originally Posted by Kaurhz

LFG FATES Z3, and LFG NM Train and "Is Pazuzu up" were definitely prime examples of community.

"Veterans only, please know the fight, know the mechanics, have bis, barse runs, discord required" whilst setting the P1S/P2S to 600 ilevel, truly prime examples of community.

Or maybe when someone who's like done like, P2S once joining clear parties and then wiping on easy mechanics. Or when people join fresh prog parties expecting clears and then getting mad with "tyfp" and dipping when there's 2-4 wipes? Also prime examples of community lol.

Don't get your point here really. Eureka is still at least active and people are good with helping spawn fates/BA runs, even if BA does require discord due to how difficult it is to set up. People there even like helping newcomers and you can easily get onto a fate train. There are times when you can even get help on leveling. What else are people going to do in Eureka lmao, afk dance like its Limsa?

Originally Posted by Kaurhz

My point is that people largely inflate the sense of community that it actually brings or incentivizes. BA and DR/DRN have largely taken the course of action, most notably in the case of the former with the tedium of setting up a run. Equally with DRN with the limitations and annoyance. I've obtained nigh on every relic and I can easily say that the sense of community (in the truest sense) is very.. Basic, largely with people only gathering for the sake of a mutual goal rather than actual communication.

The level and sense of community I've had from farming relics in ShB and EW has really been no more substantial than what I would otherwise get farming Atma, or even when farming Luminous Crystals in HW. That's my point.

Hit the nanny post limit, but wanted to say that I agree with Theo here in that you've been unlucky in getting quiet instances. Plenty of times I've been in Bozja/Eureka where there was light convo and chatter; I mean of course plenty of people just kind of want to focus since it is a long, hardy grind to get relics/lockboxes/logograms/ect. Idk, I've always found a sense of community that people are getting together to complete a goal. I wouldn't say I've made like long lasting friendships or anything, but I've definitely have had a lot of cooperation, funny convos, given/giving advice/help in between the fate spawning and grinding. People do the same kind of stuff of light conversations and being chatty in the Diadem too and it's not like it's thrilling group content.

Originally Posted by Padudu

"Veterans only, please know the fight, know the mechanics, have bis, barse runs, discord required" whilst setting the P1S/P2S to 600 ilevel, truly prime examples of community.

Or maybe when someone who's like done like, P2S once joining clear parties and then wiping on easy mechanics. Or when people join fresh prog parties expecting clears and then getting mad with "tyfp" and dipping when there's 2-4 wipes? Also prime examples of community lol.

Don't get your point here really. Eureka is still at least active and people are good with helping spawn fates/BA runs, even if BA does require discord due to how difficult it is to set up. People there even like helping newcomers and you can easily get onto a fate train.

My point is that people largely inflate the sense of community that it actually brings or incentivizes. BA and DR/DRN have largely taken the course of action, most notably in the case of the former with the tedium of setting up a run. Equally with DRN with the limitations and annoyance. I've obtained nigh on every relic and I can easily say that the sense of community (in the truest sense) is very.. Basic, largely with people only gathering for the sake of a mutual goal rather than actual communication.

The level and sense of community I've had from farming relics in ShB and EW has really been no more substantial than what I would otherwise get farming Atma, or even when farming Luminous Crystals in HW. That's my point.

Originally Posted by Theodric

They were, yes. Shockingly some of us actually enjoy interacting with other players in a game that isn't a purely single player experience. It was nice chatting in the zone chat with other players, recognising familiar names and generally just building up a little micro-community for the duration of the time the content was relevant. Pretty sure Spriggan is on the same datacentre as Cerberus, too, so I'd raise an eyebrow if you're trying to imply that nobody ever had meaningful chatter in the Eureka or Bozja zone chats because I was there pretty frequently during their respective expansions and chatting away happily with many different players. Maybe you were unlucky and somehow always ended up in the quiet instances, though!

Pagos was about the only one I got any real meaningful discussion out of, even then it was fairly infrequent. I just personally don't necessarily think that it was down to the content itself being exploration, but rather just people spending a significant amount of time together and chatting away on the infrequencies, but alas it's just a differential in experience. I don't think the relic not being exploration content precludes the sense of community derived therein. These things I've had in about the same frequency when farming the open world for memories, luminous crystals, or atmas.

It was nice, but I think if they could pour those resources elsewhere, then that would be much better rather than exploration content for the sake of it.

edit: and if I am being frank I would rather they delve more into trying content that may otherwise attempt to revitalize the open world. It's very disappointing the only way I see more than a couple of people is at an Aetheryte or a hunt train, and arguably the sense of how barren the open world is just reflects poorly overall.