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[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

One could say a similar thing in regards to those who are quick to call upon Game of Thrones whenever someone asks for something more to be done with the main cast, with a strong aversion to seeing anything harmful happen to these characters from permanent injury to death despite them ultimately being fictional creations.

They have had permanent injury and many characters have died.


You guys act like there were 0 deaths and no consequences in endwalker at all.

Also, for all your talk about loving fantasy, you sure seem to struggle with the fact that in a fantasy story with magic and world altering abilities, the main cast can avoid death in some ways.

[aveyond-dreams]

They have had permanent injury and many characters have died.


You guys act like there were 0 deaths and no consequences in endwalker at all.

Also, for all your talk about loving fantasy, you sure seem to struggle with the fact that in a fantasy story with magic and world altering abilities, the main cast can avoid death in some ways.

Not for the main party, no. The characters did not grow, nor did they suffer lasting consequences. Their sole sacrifice was undone within the span of an hour. I expect better storytelling than this. Not enough was done with these characters to justify their survival.

Given that they escaped Endwalker unscathed and are now set to remain despite widespread voices from all sectors of the community calling for their retirement, their continued presence is reasonable cause for concern as the average side-character or antagonist is oftentimes better received than the typical scion.

[VelKallor]

despite widespread voices from all sectors of the community calling for their retirement,

....and your proof of this broad, sweeping claim is....?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

....and your proof of this broad, sweeping claim is....?

Probly his friends and a handful of people on these forums.
Not to say they dont exist or they dont have opinions. But Im also skeptical if these voices are as big as they make it sound.

[AwesomeJr44]

But Im also skeptical if these voices are as big as they make it sound.

You say this but its the pro-Endwalker people who constantly shout "we're the majority!!!" everytime someone disagrees with them as if that's supposed to mean something.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

You say this but its the pro-Endwalker people who constantly shout "we're the majority!!!" everytime someone disagrees with them as if that's supposed to mean something.

It is a hilarious back and forth, almost like most of you are screaming at the mirror.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You say this but its the pro-Endwalker people who constantly shout "we're the majority!!!" everytime someone disagrees with them as if that's supposed to mean something.

Thats not me personally, I do think there is more praise for Endwalker then there is Hate, but that doesnt mean anything special to me.
Its just a videogame, and everyone has an opinion.

It is a hilarious back and forth, almost like most of you are screaming at the mirror.

Better to scream at a Cactus then a Mirror. They are great listeners. Mirrors just repeat what you say and act like its smart.

[Theodric]

They have had permanent injury and many characters have died.


You guys act like there were 0 deaths and no consequences in endwalker at all.

Also, for all your talk about loving fantasy, you sure seem to struggle with the fact that in a fantasy story with magic and world altering abilities, the main cast can avoid death in some ways.

I suppose this might be another post to potentially bookmark in order to keep track of the points being raised but as has been pointed out in the past it is specifically being requested that there are meaningful lasting consequences for at least some of the major protagonists.

Not just throwaway side characters of little relevance who are created with the intention of dying horribly. Not only antagonists and villains who are predictably given a sob story to induce sympathy and then unceremoniously killed off.

The occasional character on the level of Alisae, Y'shtola, Urianger, Raubhan, Nanamo or Merlwyb actually facing death in a meaningful and well written fashion would do wonders to portray some actual stakes.

I'm not convinced that one sided magic and world altering abilities are particularly engaging, either. Wanting more fantasy elements does not necessarily equal wanting them to manifest solely as an excuse to shield the major characters at almost every turn, especially when the story is written in such a way as to disallow the antagonists to score any meaningful on screen victories.

I want a compelling story and lasting consequences would achieve that as far as I'm concerned.

[AwesomeJr44]

They have had permanent injury and many characters have died.

Really? Let's take a look at who died then. Ok, so we've got... the satrap of Radz at Han that got introduced as a side character for this very expansion, Zenos and Fandaniel, who were both the main villains and thus very probable to die, and Hydaelyn, that character who up until now has just been a voice in our heads. Very dramatic, much sacrificed. Very loss, such fire, much faith.

Huh, there doesn't seem to be any main characters on the list. Odd seeing as the main characters are the ones that have been accused of having enormous amounts of plot armor, so you'd think the writers would kill one off to prove that there are actual stakes here, but it seems like that didn't happen.

As for permanent injury... Yshtola is blind-ish?

[SieyaM]

Really? Let's take a look at who died then. Ok, so we've got... the satrap of Radz at Han that got introduced as a side character for this very expansion, Zenos and Fandaniel, who were both the main villains and thus very probable to die, and Hydaelyn, that character who up until now has just been a voice in our heads. Very dramatic, much sacrificed. Very loss, such fire, much faith.

Huh, there doesn't seem to be any main characters on the list. Odd seeing as the main characters are the ones that have been accused of having enormous amounts of plot armor, so you'd think the writers would kill one off to prove that there are actual stakes here, but it seems like that didn't happen.

As for permanent injury... Yshtola is blind-ish?

Raubahn lost an arm too, but he's rarely in content anymore.