The Image of FFXIV

[Atelier-Bagur]

You have to understand that I speak from the perspective of someone who wants FFXIV to succeed and be the best version of itself possible. If I see things that give me pause, such as these videos, I will call attention to it. I think that SE can and should do better.

Newsflash, you're not the only one. Im pretty sure everyone of us wants to see this game improve and grow for the better. It just so happens that a lot of your takes and ideas just happen to be off the mark imo.

[AwesomeJr44]

Hey If Aveyond-Dreams can constantly nitpick and complain about every single little itty bitty thing about FFXIV that would make the average Karen put their heads down in shame, then I'm allowed to do the same with every one of these posts and threads he/she makes.

Ok so even if I assume that Aveyond is being a massive Karen when he complains, (he's not, give his most recent comment a read, or a re-read if you need to) you posting on his threads literally defeats the purpose of claiming the thread is worthless. If the thread is truly is so worthless, ignore it and let it fester and die instead of feeding it fuel to grow. Fire doesn't burn without fuel.

Unless you actually think the thread is in fact NOT worthless and thus will have actual discussion take place there. Then you would have a reason to show up and talk about it. However, then the thread wouldn't be worthless as there would be a conversation occurring there. Do you see how contradictory your presence here is?

[Atelier-Bagur]

Ok so even if I assume that Aveyond is being a massive Karen when he complains, (he's not, give his most recent comment a read, or a re-read if you need to) you posting on his threads literally defeats the purpose of claiming the thread is worthless. If the thread is truly is so worthless, ignore it and let it fester and die instead of feeding it fuel to grow. Fire doesn't burn without fuel.

Unless you actually think the thread is in fact NOT worthless and thus will have actual discussion take place there. Then you would have a reason to show up and talk about it. However, then the thread wouldn't be worthless as there would be a conversation occurring there. Do you see how contradictory your presence here is?

The more you try to talk in circles about a statement I said, the less of a point you actually make. How about stop focusing on what I said about aveyond and actually think about whats the point behind this thread? The whole argument behind this thread is that some small official video-starter guides look "too kiddish" and that they need to appeal to late teens or adults.

For one, the video is so safe and meaningless for the average player who understands MMOs or FFXIV shouldnt even care or bother. Two, if this was about that the video series should be more in-depth like what other content creators have been doing for starter guides then yeah, I agree it should emulate to give out more information. But Aveyond is instead talking about the "image" of the videos as if that actually matters to the average viewer. Its not as if this game already has its preconveived notions of being a "lolweeb game" by some of the hardcore mmo veterans whom havent touched FFXIV so them doing this safe, corporate style video isnt gonna really drive the numbers down. Again I say, who honestly cares. How about we discuss more important things tham the oh noes our precious "image".

[aveyond-dreams]

The image that FFXIV portrays does matter. I think it would be a good thing for FFXIV to try to make itself look more serious in wake of things like these videos and that billboard situation. I would like to think that the focus on the Void and Lahabrea in 6.2 will help with that, but a lot of recent events both in and out of the game have shaken my confidence and that of others. If you would like to discuss one of many different topics or issues, then nothing is stopping you from creating a thread to discuss those.

[Atelier-Bagur]

The image that FFXIV portrays does matter. I think it would be a good thing for FFXIV to try to make itself look more serious in wake of things like these videos and that billboard situation. I would like to think that the focus on the Void and Lahabrea in 6.2 will help with that, but a lot of recent events both in and out of the game have shaken my confidence and that of others. If you would like to discuss one of many different topics or issues, then nothing is stopping you from creating a thread to discuss those.

Believe me, the image of FFXIV is the LAST of this game's worries. Theres other problems to deal with rather than wasting our time with this.

[Silverbane]

Ah yes, I am on copium for wishing that SE created their marketing to target their audience

Spending money marketing FFXIV to people who even just read this forum is a waste of money: those people already know more than enough about the game to decide whether to play it or not, and most of them already do. And that's especially true when the marketing is an intro tutorial.

TL;DR: SE's Marketing, as they should, mainly targets people who are not yet paying a subscription.

[AwesomeJr44]

The more you try to talk in circles about a statement I said, the less of a point you actually make.

My point has been consistent. If you think the thread is worthless, why are you here? At least my point isn't defeated by my very presence.

How about stop focusing on what I said about aveyond.

If you didn't want people focusing on that, why'd you say it?

and actually think about whats the point behind this thread? The whole argument behind this thread is that some small official video-starter guides look "too kiddish" and that they need to appeal to late teens or adults.

The point of the thread is to discuss the kiddish art styles used in the official guides put out by SE and how it's made for the wrong target audience. You seem to understand the point of the thread quite well. If you want to discuss this point, you are free to. However, painting the thread as pointless isn't discussing things, it's trying to shut down a discussion you don't like.

For one, the video is so safe and meaningless for the average player who understands MMOs or FFXIV shouldnt even care or bother.

Cool. It still exists. Thus we can talk about it.

Two, if this was about that the video series should be more in-depth like what other content creators have been doing for starter guides then yeah, I agree it should emulate to give out more information.

If you are interested in this discussion and do not see a thread discussing it, you are free to make that thread.

But Aveyond is instead talking about the "image" of the videos as if that actually matters to the average viewer.

And you know this how exactly? Everything they've said seems to counter this point.

Its not as if this game already has its preconveived notions of being a "lolweeb game" by some of the hardcore mmo veterans whom havent touched FFXIV so them doing this safe, corporate style video isnt gonna really drive the numbers down.

Right, the hardcore MMO players already don't want to play the game, so let's drive away the midcore and semi-serious players too.

Again I say, who honestly cares.

You do. You're commenting in the thread. You obviously care about the topic to some extent.

How about we discuss more important things that the oh noes our precious "image".

Sure. Go make that thread. If people are interested, they'll drop in and talk about it.

[Atelier-Bagur]

you know, you could just have compiled all of that into one reply post rather than making this obsessive looking cringey counter point to almost every single statement I made. Again you keep focusing on attacking me personally rather than debate or discuss the actual topic that was presented in this thread.

[Theodric]

It's always fascinating when someone comes into a thread specifically intending to harass, insult and stalk a particular individual only to get a bit of light pushback and declare that they, themselves, are the one being 'harassed'.

This coming after they swear up and down that they don't care about expend multiple posts within a relatively short period of time certainly allows people to come to some interesting conclusions, I think.

[Graeham]

We agree with the lackluster story writers guild. It is clear that the TV add maker is also the man who write the wrong translate story into the Japanese from the German. The Yoshi should make the Maehiro writing the grit TV add like the Game of the Thrones or the Heavensward. I do not understand why Lopprit chara Mayra in vid is surviving to the end but the No Shadow God is kill by the Venar genocide. Is because of bias towards the hero chara and theme focus on the slice of the life anime. If Maehiro writing the vid then Mayra would dye at the 1:00 mark instead of eating the burger with they friends.

It is clear now that the lackluster guild must rewrite the TV add and resubmit to correct the story course. We nominate the Madge King of All Amigos to be in charge of new add story because the Garlemald story rewrite is working to the Ayybeyond and I will rewriting the Hildabrand story to fix relic.

Please believe we will make all right with story again.