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    Seredeelfer's Avatar
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    Invisibelle Idreniel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aneshda View Post
    We need the option to choose if a Healer can cast Rescue on us.
    I know what I do and don't want to be rescued.
    If I die. then let it be my problem...
    You got it. As it's your problem should we let you rez at the start of the instance? Pretty sure my mana is better used to dps than rez someone who chose to die.
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    Renalt El'doran
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    I'm not a fan of it either because I don't make mistakes often enough to justify using it on me...so when it's used...it's usually to get me killed.

    That said...I've seen it used on others and have used it myself to great affect.

    Rescue is one of those abilities that falls under two categories:

    1. You are a good player who is aware what is happening...so rescue is useless to use on you so you'll only really see it for griefing.

    2. You are a decent player who gets distracted sometimes...and thus rescue is mostly used on you to GREAT success.

    In short...the better player you are...you'll mostly only see it for griefing cause YOU are doing things right. The more you lack however...the more you'll see it used correctly.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

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    Scarlett Dzian
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    the problem isnt so much griefing its justthe way it works and the server ticks..

    there's a lag in using it which really doesnt help matters. as it often means a healer will use it early while the dps technically still has time to get out of stupid themselves. this creates situations where the healer presses rescue and the dps starts to run left to get out of the stupid, but then gets pullsd to the right, and right back into the stupid.

    the other issue is it doenst pull players to you, only near you. which in some cases isnt enough, sometimes those mechanical safe spots can be quite small. . ideally it should warp players to you not slide them to you.

    i kinda think blms aetherial manipulation should be the same. a warp not a slide. because its quite common to eat the hit as you slide through. a warp would at least avoid that..

    i have seen some funny rescues though.. one of them was in endisnger where the blue planets punted me off the arena. and on my screen i was like 2" off the arena beginning to fall to my doom and suddenly i got pulled back onto the platform alive.. just the weirdness that comes from server ticks..
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    Mizuchi Hikaze
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    Rescue needs to go.
    So many times people rescue when I'm perfectly fine.
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    Rescue saves lives, in many ways. Even if it does not save a laugh you are bound to at the very least get a laugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    I have used it a tank leash before but with a two minute cooldown it is not exactly spammable nor off cooldown enough to really warrant such a use a utterly abusive imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Rexipher Evergrey
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    I've never had someone grief me with it.
    Nor has I seen anyone grief someone else with it.
    I think the problem is far smaller than some makes it up to be.

    The only times someone used Rescue on me was when I was in a bad position for a mechanic.
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    Countess Flouncy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Rescue saves lives, in many ways. Even if it does not save a laugh you are bound to at the very least get a laugh.
    For real. I always get a kick out of being rescued. Either I'm distracted and am about to get slapped with something, or I get a free ride across the room. It's good for a laugh. I'm not going for world first ultimate here - a few seconds of lost uptime is not enough to break my fragile ego.

    I think some people get really upset about any perceived loss of control.

    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    Here's a person who's never rescued a melee DPS back to the boss for better uptime after they had to run away to drop an AOE marker.
    Ultima in the last Ivalice raid, at the end of the maze: I always end up getting the proximity arrow marker that you have to drop in the void. The other day, a healer rescued me back to the boss once the explosion went off. My little heart soared.

    I was so excited, and thanked the healer for being amazing. That healer STILL apologized to me pre-emptively, probably because they had so many fragile egos gripe at them for DARING to scoot them out of place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nav_Fae View Post
    Rescue needs to go.
    So many times people rescue when I'm perfectly fine.
    This is such a small inconvenience to you, at the loss of a really valuable skill. A lot of people who are rescued (and gripe about it) might THINK they're fine, while being totally unaware of an incoming mechanic.

    I've seen rescue used for griefing maybe once. And it was probably an accident.

    Like the time I rescued my partner into the chasm going to the frog boss in the Shadowbringers fae dungeon. I thought it would zip him to the other side. Whoops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by axetastic View Post
    This is such a small inconvenience to you, at the loss of a really valuable skill. A lot of people who are rescued (and gripe about it) might THINK they're fine, while being totally unaware of an incoming mechanic.

    I've seen rescue used for griefing maybe once. And it was probably an accident.

    Like the time I rescued my partner into the chasm going to the frog boss in the Shadowbringers fae dungeon. I thought it would zip him to the other side. Whoops.
    Then let me learn the hard way.
    Maybe I'm just greeding because I know I'll survive and it's just a small inconvenience for the healer that they have to heal me. I can't tell you how many times I've been rescued because the healer thought they were helping me when all they did was make things worse. Being rescued while melee comboing as a rdm when I know I'll survive the attack feels kind of bad when I have a backflip. The healer doesn't know what I'm planning to do.
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    If I'm not on healer and greed hard on something or if the healers seems to be the nervous type, I surecast/ Arm's Lengths the mechanic that they'll most likely panic on. But even though I generally now exactly how much I can greed, it's not the end of the world of the healer yoinks me when I was perfectly fine. One GCD lost, I can live with that.
    I rather see a healer trying to use their whole toolkit and aim to use even clunky niche skills with a horrible delay well when I would've been fine over simply removing everything that requires some thought and timing. I'm not my character, touch me with Rescue all you like. I approve of every healer that is learning to use it even if it fails or was unnecessary.

    And if you see people trolling each other, it's more often than not friends queueing together and having a good laugh. If they got indeed trolled by a stranger it's their responsibility to file a report so the person abusing it gets a strike/ ban but no reason to remove a tool just because someone abused it. Assuming that every death by Rescue was a malicious troll that wanted to annoy strangers just because it suits your argument and you couldn't handle a less than one GCD control loss of your character is quite frankly laughable and negative bias.
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