Rescue is Griefing

[VerdeLuck]

To be fair, there was a person in this thread arguing against Rescue because it was essentially “god modeing”/playing god with someone’s character. As of healing itself isn’t basically playing god.

I don’t think Rescue is that big of a deal. It has its uses. A good healer knows when and where to apply them (such as when something might actually get a teammate killed—not the random circle AOE in a 24-man that doesn’t even do half their health); but they do sometimes make mistakes or mistime it, and that’s also fine. It’s not “abuse” like people enjoy saying.

You think it doesn't get used for griefing much because you play healer, it's pretty much every run of Dhon Mheg or every 4-5 runs of crystal tower where I'm not healer is where I see it. GMs also rarely act on reports other than telling you to just blacklist them so that does a whole lot of nothing.

[HyoMinPark]

You think it doesn't get used for griefing much because you play healer, it's pretty much every run of Dhon Mheg or every 4-5 runs of crystal tower where I'm not healer is where I see it. GMs also rarely act on reports other than telling you to just blacklist them so that does a whole lot of nothing.

I’ve done a lot of CT raids and Dohn Mheg during my tenure in this game—the former especially since I’ve been playing this game for 6 1/2 years now. It is definitely not a common occurrence in the runs I have even when I am not on healer. Certainly not every run. Please don’t exaggerate if you’re trying to make a legitimate argument.

I’ve learned from reading responses in this thread that people conflate “griefing” with legitimate mistakes and mistimings. Considering someone told me as such they are going to report every instance of Rescue when someone ends up dying, and scoffed at the idea of a healer perhaps making a mistake that gets others killed. There’s also simply a huge negative bias against it that has constantly made people post about Rescue like it being used nefariously is 99% of the uses (I believe there’s even someone who said this outright).

[VerdeLuck]

I’ve done a lot of CT raids and Dohn Mheg during my tenure in this game—the former especially since I’ve been playing this game for 6 1/2 years now. It is definitely not a common occurrence in the runs I have even when I am not on healer. Certainly not every run. Please don’t exaggerate if you’re trying to make a legitimate argument.

I’ve learned from reading responses in this thread that people conflate “griefing” with legitimate mistakes and mistimings. Considering someone told me as such they are going to report every instance of Rescue when someone ends up dying, and scoffed at the idea of a healer perhaps making a mistake that gets others killed. There’s also simply a huge negative bias against it that has constantly made people post about Rescue like it being used nefariously is 99% of the uses (I believe there’s even someone who said this outright).

So because you haven't been griefed with it means other people aren't?

[HyoMinPark]

So because you haven't been griefed with it means other people aren't?

That’s not what I said, but thank you for putting words in my mouth. I’m sure instances of griefing happen. I just don’t think they’re nearly as common as “practically every run” or “every 4-5 runs” of something. Playing this game, I don’t see it nearly as often as some of the posts—yours included—claim. So I say to you again: please do not exaggerate when you’re trying to make a legitimate argument. And perhaps don’t put words in other people’s mouths either. Have a good rest of your day!

[VerdeLuck]

That’s not what I said, but thank you for putting words in my mouth. I’m sure instances of griefing happen. I just don’t think they’re nearly as common as “practically every run” or “every 4-5 runs” of something. Playing this game, I don’t see it nearly as often as some of the posts—yours included—claim. So I say to you again: please do not exaggerate when you’re trying to make a legitimate argument. And perhaps don’t put words in other people’s mouths either. Have a good rest of your day!

You say I'm putting words in your mouth but then you say the exact same thing. You think anyone who has bad experiences with rescue and wants something done about it is a liar and blowing it up out of proportion. All because you claim you don't see it, and if it does happen, you think it must have been a mistake.

[BaconBits]

I have my own gripes with Rescue, but some of y'all making it sound deeper than it really is tbh.

[HyoMinPark]

You say I'm putting words in your mouth but then you say the exact same thing. You think anyone who has bad experiences with rescue and wants something done about it is a liar and blowing it up out of proportion. All because you claim you don't see it, and if it does happen, you think it must have been a mistake.

Say what you will, but people blow things wildly out of proportion. Your post was a perfect example of that, since you claim that every run of Dohn Mheg has Rescue griefing, which I highly doubt since it’s just statistically unlikely. This thread is a perfect example since we have individuals complaining about the “autonomy of their characters” and any violation of that automatically equals abuse or griefing.

You claim I don’t see it so I think it’s unlikely; have you ever considered that you’re only seeing what you want to see and not actual incidents of mistakes or friends using it on each other or other innocent/applicable uses and just throwing them all under the same veil? Genuine question.

I spent most of my time in Stormblood playing BRD. Still didn’t see a bunch of healers using it to grief despite it being the new toy. I healed more in ShB and heal more now, but again: I do not see other healers using this with the frequency that you keep implying. Remember: you were the one who said “every run” of Dohn Mheg and “every 4-5 runs” of CT raids. I would wager I could do 5 runs of each and definitely not see it in the majority. Certainly not in every one.

You want to discredit my anecdotes and say yours are the absolute truth—but at the end of the day, they are both anecdotes. Exaggerations don’t make for decent arguments. That’s why hyperbole is considered an argumentative fallacy. Saying something always happens is a hyperbole; same as saying something never happens. I didn’t say they never happen; I just contested the assertion that they are extremely common. Which you keep implying with your posts to me.

I’m not going to waste any more of my limited daily posts running in circles with someone who simply wants to argue with their feelings. I say to you again: have a good rest of your day.

[Bobby66]

You think it doesn't get used for griefing much because you play healer, it's pretty much every run of Dhon Mheg or every 4-5 runs of crystal tower where I'm not healer is where I see it. GMs also rarely act on reports other than telling you to just blacklist them so that does a whole lot of nothing.

I will bite, let us say it happens to you every 4 to 5 runs of CT, what exactly is your point? That is still in the grand scheme of the amount of players in this game barely statically relevant. Let us be generous and say it happens 5% of every dungeon ran across the board. Do you really think that is large enough percentage that warrants it removal? Or are you going to say that that is more like 20 to 25% or even 50%?

Why take the throw the baby out with the bath water approach for something that is in the grand scheme not very common. Sure it may be common to you, but that is you and I doubt you can say with a straight face that it is common across the board of all players.

[Sebazy]

You think it doesn't get used for griefing much because you play healer, it's pretty much every run of Dhon Mheg or every 4-5 runs of crystal tower where I'm not healer is where I see it. GMs also rarely act on reports other than telling you to just blacklist them so that does a whole lot of nothing.

I'm sorry but that's absolute BS.

Yes I main healer, but I do casual content as a dancer because playing healer in 24 is unbearably boring at this point.

Since 6.1 I've seen exactly one case of rescue getting abused. It was in Aglaia at Nald'Thal, the noise gave it away and they immediately got kicked out of the duty. I've personally accidentally fat fingered it once in dead ends pre 6.1 as well but no harm came of it and I apologised profusely for it. That's 2 occurrences in hundreds of duties since EW.

By comparison, I see tanks refusing to put on stance and take agro practically every other 24 man run which usually does get someone else killed. Where's your energy for that son?