Rescue is Griefing

[Packetdancer]

Pardon, but healers aren’t all-knowing or clairvoyant. If you want to be Rescued for X mechanic, perhaps tell them. Don’t expect them to be able to read your mind. This is such a silly comment to make.

Seconding this. I have had people ask "could you Rescue me back to the group here" before for purposes of uptime (e.g. they know they have to leave melee range for a mechanic and have no gap-closer available), and if they actually ask, I'm usually happy to do so. Similarly, I'm happy to offer in a Susano trial "Hey, want me to do the Rescue uptime cheese, where whoever gets the stack marker and is knocked away from the group just gets Rescued right back immediately?" and if folks go "Yeah" then, hey, happy to do it!

But I am not psychic, and as I've mentioned before, Rescue is janky as hell. It is almost never going to be the first tool I try, unless I know for a fact that you're about to die. Someone with a sprout icon and the stack marker in Dun Scaith running away in a panic, for instance. Or are clearly about to kill everyone else.

(I have, on one occasion, rescued the person with the Crush Weapon exoflare prey marker in T.G.Cid away from the group at the last second when it became clear they were oblivious to the fact that they even had the marker; it killed me along with them, but the alternative was killing everyone else, and 2 deaths seemed less catastrophic than 7 would have been...)

If we're four pulls in and you consistently cannot get out of the bad in time, I may start eying the Rescue button thoughtfully, sure. But if you're hoping that I'll Rescue you unasked right out of the gate in the first pull, I guarantee you that you will be disappointed because the chances I will do that on my own without being asked are functionally nonexistent. As mentioned, most healers -- myself included -- don't really particularly like Rescue due to both the jank and the general ire it tends to prompt; even if it's the only tool we're given for certain scenarios, most healers I know will still avoid using it whenever possible.

[Zaniel]

I use Rescue a minimum of 3 times a night on Yilan to people who still can't learn to not stand in his Glare spell (or Mousse Princess). Guess I better let them die to appease the pearl-clutching gatekeepers on the forums. All guaranteed deaths I can prevent with one click.

[MellowMink]

Don’t stand in avoidable attacks, especially ones that will instantly kill you if I don’t intervene, and I won’t have ever have to use Rescue in combat then.

[Toutatis]

Rescue is fine and it can come in handy. I see the occasional mistake (not worse than a dps standing in stupid) but no malicious use.

[GeorgeTheGamer89]

Here's a person who's never rescued a melee DPS back to the boss for better uptime after they had to run away to drop an AOE marker.

Why have I never thought of this. Brilliant

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

To some, apparently dying is better vs saving their healer’s 2.4k MP. /s

I’m aware we’re close to limitless in mana pool under general circumstances, but c’mon… lmao.

[Packetdancer]

To some, apparently dying is better vs saving their healer’s 2.4k MP. /s

I’m aware we’re close to limitless in mana pool under general circumstances, but c’mon… lmao.

Honestly, given how rarely GCD heals get used in serious content, I feel like spending Swiftcast potentially hurts more than the MP does. :P

(That said, if multiple people are down, the MP bill starts to get painful.)

[BluexBird]

You know what else is griefing? Going into a fight and then proceeding to put minimal effort into dealing damage. Yeah. Like just make it take as long as possible for your party to clear the content. That's griefing. Should be remove it from the game? Oh wait, no! YOU CAN'T! Actually, technically you aren't even supposed to TELL when someone is griefing in this manner. But alas...

Let's say you COULD tell when someone is griefing with the method I mentioned earlier. What would your reaction be? I'm guessing you, like any other normal person, would simple make the perfectly rational and reasonable decision to remove that player from your party, and just simply not play with them again. Easy, right?

DO THE SAME THING WITH HEALERS WHO ABUSE RESCUE!

NOBODY IS ABUSING RESCUE. IF THEY DO, KICK THEM FROM THE PARTY! EASY SOLUTION. Also I know you're a troll, and that this whole-ass thread was done as a joke, but I felt like explaining this out anyway just to show how dumb you are.

EDIT: Another example of griefing - you know those AoE tank busters in dungeons? Just waltz over to the healer as a tank, and make sure they get hit as well. What's next? You gonna complain that tank busters should be removed because people are griefing with it? Or are you gonna STOP BEING A LITTLE BABY and just KICK THEM FROM THE PARTY?

[SturmChurro]

Honestly, given how rarely GCD heals get used in serious content, I feel like spending Swiftcast potentially hurts more than the MP does. :P

(That said, if multiple people are down, the MP bill starts to get painful.)

I get that loud and clear since I use swiftcast as a part of my WHM DPS rotation. I often will not have it up to raise if someone dies, if I use it like that.

As for the MP bill with multiple raising, it's not too bad since you can use thin air, and lucid dreaming. I know, since I got called out for "not doing anything" in a raid, even though I was literally raising multiple people, because I had "too much MP" or something along those lines. Posted about it in the duty finder thread.

[Jojoya]

I use Rescue a minimum of 3 times a night on Yilan to people who still can't learn to not stand in his Glare spell (or Mousse Princess). Guess I better let them die to appease the pearl-clutching gatekeepers on the forums. All guaranteed deaths I can prevent with one click.

Sometimes it's better to let them die so they learn. And the problem with the one click is you can't save all 3 people that need to be saved.

The problem with Yilan is that Rescue only works if you use it before Mini-Light finishes casting. That can be difficult depending on where you end up relative to them after the forced march. Once they're debuffed, nothing will save them if Yilan targets them. It will chase them down just as Supay would chase players who were petrified by her gaze mechanic.

It's definitely much easier to use with Mousse Princess but you need to be far enough away and time it with the flail cast end so they don't automarch back into range as the cast ends.

Another place I use it would be on non-tanks for Petalodus's Tidal Guillotine. Tanks can usually take the hit and knock up where it can kill DPS and healers.

(You probably know these things, the descriptions are to benefit those who don't.)

Still, I'm not a fan of an ability that is very sensitive to latency ("oops, thought I had you out in time"), gives the healer the presumed responsibility for saving a player when the player should have saved themselves, and ends up used for griefing as often as not. Want to design an encounter where Rescue plays an important role? Great, make it a Duty Action so it's only available when it's intended to be used..