Rescue is Griefing

[Midareyukki]

On one hand, it makes for great comedy in streamer videos.
On the other hand, it shows the potential it has when paired with malicious intent, and the fact the dev team hasn't mused over it is just as bad.

"Just report the guy" is also not a valid thing. We all know that FF14 shoots first and asks questions never, so if you happen to dislike one use of Rescue even if it had zero malicious intent, you'll still report it and it can be construed as griefing simply because "it bothered a player".

This part here is how I feel about Rescue. Are there people who will try and troll with it? Sure, but there are also people who will try and troll with just about anything(like the two OTs in Aglia last night who kept trying to murder the group with their tank busters).

Yes, and? This isn't the "Well, I have a butter knife, and knives kill, so am I a killer for using a butter knife" argument.
This is a game, where skills can be altered to have fewer effects like those.

Also, TOS exists. So yes, people who chase or rescue with malicious intent are viable for getting the GM hammer (when they deign to show up for work). Doesn't mean it can't be prevented all the same, nor does it mean it still doesn't suck to have such a readily-available tool for griefing.

[Avatre]

Also, TOS exists. So yes, people who chase or rescue with malicious intent are viable for getting the GM hammer (when they deign to show up for work).

EXACTLY. Rescue is fine as is, and if it is used maliciously...there's the reporting function. The instances of it being used to grief are far outweighed by the instances of it being used in it's intended capacity.

[Zaniel]

I use Rescue a minimum of 3 times a night on Yilan to people who still can't learn to not stand in his Glare spell (or Mousse Princess). Guess I better let them die to appease the pearl-clutching gatekeepers on the forums. All guaranteed deaths I can prevent with one click.

[Jojoya]

I use Rescue a minimum of 3 times a night on Yilan to people who still can't learn to not stand in his Glare spell (or Mousse Princess). Guess I better let them die to appease the pearl-clutching gatekeepers on the forums. All guaranteed deaths I can prevent with one click.

Sometimes it's better to let them die so they learn. And the problem with the one click is you can't save all 3 people that need to be saved.

The problem with Yilan is that Rescue only works if you use it before Mini-Light finishes casting. That can be difficult depending on where you end up relative to them after the forced march. Once they're debuffed, nothing will save them if Yilan targets them. It will chase them down just as Supay would chase players who were petrified by her gaze mechanic.

It's definitely much easier to use with Mousse Princess but you need to be far enough away and time it with the flail cast end so they don't automarch back into range as the cast ends.

Another place I use it would be on non-tanks for Petalodus's Tidal Guillotine. Tanks can usually take the hit and knock up where it can kill DPS and healers.

(You probably know these things, the descriptions are to benefit those who don't.)

Still, I'm not a fan of an ability that is very sensitive to latency ("oops, thought I had you out in time"), gives the healer the presumed responsibility for saving a player when the player should have saved themselves, and ends up used for griefing as often as not. Want to design an encounter where Rescue plays an important role? Great, make it a Duty Action so it's only available when it's intended to be used..

[MellowMink]

Don’t stand in avoidable attacks, especially ones that will instantly kill you if I don’t intervene, and I won’t have ever have to use Rescue in combat then.

[Toutatis]

Rescue is fine and it can come in handy. I see the occasional mistake (not worse than a dps standing in stupid) but no malicious use.

[GeorgeTheGamer89]

Here's a person who's never rescued a melee DPS back to the boss for better uptime after they had to run away to drop an AOE marker.

Why have I never thought of this. Brilliant

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

To some, apparently dying is better vs saving their healer’s 2.4k MP. /s

I’m aware we’re close to limitless in mana pool under general circumstances, but c’mon… lmao.

[Packetdancer]

To some, apparently dying is better vs saving their healer’s 2.4k MP. /s

I’m aware we’re close to limitless in mana pool under general circumstances, but c’mon… lmao.

Honestly, given how rarely GCD heals get used in serious content, I feel like spending Swiftcast potentially hurts more than the MP does. :P

(That said, if multiple people are down, the MP bill starts to get painful.)

[SturmChurro]

Honestly, given how rarely GCD heals get used in serious content, I feel like spending Swiftcast potentially hurts more than the MP does. :P

(That said, if multiple people are down, the MP bill starts to get painful.)

I get that loud and clear since I use swiftcast as a part of my WHM DPS rotation. I often will not have it up to raise if someone dies, if I use it like that.

As for the MP bill with multiple raising, it's not too bad since you can use thin air, and lucid dreaming. I know, since I got called out for "not doing anything" in a raid, even though I was literally raising multiple people, because I had "too much MP" or something along those lines. Posted about it in the duty finder thread.