Rescue is Griefing

[Skivvy]

Ended up in Rabanatre again tonight for my alliance raid, although I was just backup DNC this time as DPS was in need. Our party was a hot mess. lol. There were about 3 of us that were fine (including one of the healers, thankfully), but everyone else seemed pretty new to the fights as they were just taking massive damage starting from the very first fight.

But anyway, on the last fight, the SGE managed to yoink one of the stragglers into that spinning hand/safe circle mechanic. As I mentioned earlier, that's one of the fights where I do normally look out for people who I can try to rescue. Yes, it's only a silly alliance raid, and it happens near the end of the fight so it's not like it matters much if that person were to die, but it's still incredibly satisfying to see it pulled off successfully. Also, you can't attack the boss during that part anyway, so it's not like you're ruining anyone's uptime if you give 'em a pull.

At the end of the day though, I wouldn't really be upset if they removed the skill entirely, although I would prefer that they find a way to rework it first, and preferably in a way that we're not yanking people all over the arena.

[ElizanderNorisse]

It’s a double edged weapon.

[Kenky]

I worry for you if you genuinely think Rescue is griefing.

Does it get abused? Yeah. Is it ONLY used for abuse? No.

I know plenty of healers that have used Rescue to get people out of Insta-death AoEs or getting the off-tank / DPS into a position to be able to actually perform the Mechanics. Many of these times, they have been chewed out for it. So ask yourself one simple question.

"Am I at risk of dying / causing a wipe because of my position in this fight?" If yes, then you're getting Rescued and the fault lays with you for being out of position. Not the healers. The only reason it exists up to this point is because Tanks & DPS refuse to do mechanics, which rather often kills the entire party. But instead of looking internally and realizing they are the ones that screwed up, they punish the healer for not healing well enough.

You cannot heal a 1-shot. You have defensives & utility skills to help take pressure off the Healers. Use them. (Reprisal, Feint, Second Wind, Bloodbath, Head Graze, etc.)

And to the healers that act like they are the only reason people are alive? Paladin exists. They can actually heal BETTER than you (in some cases. Not all!). So stow the damn ego at the door. You're not impressing anyone.

[RobynDaBank]

You know what's true griefing? Healers being allowed to heal me when I'm DRK and getting my Living Dead to pop. None of this "muh uptime" stuff!

[Avoidy]

With how this community plays on a day to day basis, it deserves Rescue and any minor downsides that come with it.

[Avatre]

minor downsides that come with it.

This part here is how I feel about Rescue. Are there people who will try and troll with it? Sure, but there are also people who will try and troll with just about anything(like the two OTs in Aglia last night who kept trying to murder the group with their tank busters).

[Raoabolic]

This part here is how I feel about Rescue. Are there people who will try and troll with it? Sure, but there are also people who will try and troll with just about anything(like the two OTs in Aglia last night who kept trying to murder the group with their tank busters).

You mean you don't chase down the alliance as a tank w/ a tank buster going "I'm gonna get ya!" in alliance chat? It was a beautiful sight and that tank really did teach me the true meaning of adjusting!

[Stanazolol]

People do use it to grief even if they think they are being helpful. Its annoying as fuck and rarely used to actually save people in normal content. And all the moments I want someone to use it on me they never do.

[HyoMinPark]

People do use it to grief even if they think they are being helpful.

This is a contradictory statement. How can someone be helpful—even mistakenly so—but also be purposely griefing? Seems more like the healer was trying to help, and the other person was simply misconstruing their actions. As far as I’m aware, there’s no such thing as “helpfully griefing” or “griefing helpfully”.

And all the moments I want someone to use it on me they never do.

Pardon, but healers aren’t all-knowing or clairvoyant. If you want to be Rescued for X mechanic, perhaps tell them. Don’t expect them to be able to read your mind. This is such a silly comment to make.

[Packetdancer]

Pardon, but healers aren’t all-knowing or clairvoyant. If you want to be Rescued for X mechanic, perhaps tell them. Don’t expect them to be able to read your mind. This is such a silly comment to make.

Seconding this. I have had people ask "could you Rescue me back to the group here" before for purposes of uptime (e.g. they know they have to leave melee range for a mechanic and have no gap-closer available), and if they actually ask, I'm usually happy to do so. Similarly, I'm happy to offer in a Susano trial "Hey, want me to do the Rescue uptime cheese, where whoever gets the stack marker and is knocked away from the group just gets Rescued right back immediately?" and if folks go "Yeah" then, hey, happy to do it!

But I am not psychic, and as I've mentioned before, Rescue is janky as hell. It is almost never going to be the first tool I try, unless I know for a fact that you're about to die. Someone with a sprout icon and the stack marker in Dun Scaith running away in a panic, for instance. Or are clearly about to kill everyone else.

(I have, on one occasion, rescued the person with the Crush Weapon exoflare prey marker in T.G.Cid away from the group at the last second when it became clear they were oblivious to the fact that they even had the marker; it killed me along with them, but the alternative was killing everyone else, and 2 deaths seemed less catastrophic than 7 would have been...)

If we're four pulls in and you consistently cannot get out of the bad in time, I may start eying the Rescue button thoughtfully, sure. But if you're hoping that I'll Rescue you unasked right out of the gate in the first pull, I guarantee you that you will be disappointed because the chances I will do that on my own without being asked are functionally nonexistent. As mentioned, most healers -- myself included -- don't really particularly like Rescue due to both the jank and the general ire it tends to prompt; even if it's the only tool we're given for certain scenarios, most healers I know will still avoid using it whenever possible.