Rescue is Griefing

[LittleImp]

Imagine screeching at losing a GCD in normal content (if you're doing savage or ultimate I imagine you should have a chat with your static's healer about it). It can't be about the damage loss. It has to be about the ego, no? "How dare you move ME. How can you not recognize how good at the game I am just by looking?" Has some real Karen vibes.

Lord knows in normal content you have players who don't even know what a group buff is so raising your bloodpressure over 1 GCD is moot.

The game is extremely rigid. Having your rotation interrupted is often extremely unpleasant to the flow of the game, as it has cascading effects that can in some cases last for the entire remainder of an encounter. Not to mention, most casual content is boring as hell, and you end up getting denied one of the few fun things you actually get to do in it (greeding).

Feel free to read through this thread and see for yourself the disposition of the types of people who regularly feel the need to rescue others; It's on full display for you to readily see.

[hydralus]

The game is extremely rigid. Having your rotation interrupted is often extremely unpleasant to the flow of the game, as it has cascading effects that can in some cases last for the entire remainder of an encounter. Not to mention, most casual content is boring as hell, and you end up getting denied one of the few fun things you actually get to do in it (greeding).

Feel free to read through this thread and see for yourself the disposition of the types of people who regularly feel the need to rescue others; It's on full display for you to readily see.

This is a lot of words over 1 lost GCD in normal mode fights. My God. And the language used. "Extremely unpleasant". Yeah, definite Karen vibes.

[Padudu]

This is a lot of words over 1 lost GCD in normal mode fights. My God. And the language used. "Extremely unpleasant". Yeah, definite Karen vibes.

I like that you call other people a Karen despite the fact you think its ok to assume that other people are dumbasses who can't tell when they need to get away from aoes/mechanics. It's very easy to gauge someone who is competent vs someone who is new/struggling even in normal content. Not sure why you think the rescue button should be used to be a micromanaging nanny to get people to do things YOU want them to do, instead of letting them greed and have fun with it. Is life only fun for you when you get to look down on other people?

[hydralus]

I like that you call other people a Karen despite the fact you think its ok to assume that other people are dumbasses who can't tell when they need to get away from aoes/mechanics. It's very easy to gauge someone who is competent vs someone who is new/struggling even in normal content. Not sure why you think the rescue button should be used to be a micromanaging nanny to get people to do things YOU want them to do, instead of letting them greed and have fun with it. Is life only fun for you when you get to look down on other people?

I for one never said anything about assuming people are dumbasses. Putting words in my mouth now? I just said it's silly to get this angry over 1 lost GCD especially when in normal content there are people who don't even know what a group buff is.

Besides as far as griefing tools go the tank has the greatest griefing toolkit in the game by controlling the boss so removing tanks would be the go-to if we want to reduce the amount of griefing going on. Or better yet we can make FFXIV single player.

[LittleImp]

This is a lot of words over 1 lost GCD in normal mode fights. My God. And the language used. "Extremely unpleasant". Yeah, definite Karen vibes.

Dude, you're just openly slinging insults and aren't even making a coherent argument or statement about anything.

This stupid argument again, huh?

lol.

It's group content. You will not be able to consent to everything a player does to your character. You can get killed outright if the tank suddenly turned and the boss cleaves the whole party (happens plenty of times in Titania normal)

This is only ever a legitimate mistake, or griefing. Not comparable to rescue, unless you want to argue rescue is griefing.

or God, they even force you to MOVE if they turn around, so you can hit your positionals! That's a DPS loss right there. How DARE the tank not stand in the same spot all fight!

You edited this into your post after you realized how weak your original argument was. Positionals are currently implemented in a way to where, while you may lose some potency, missing a positional shouldn't really impact the overall flow of your rotation. Players are also granted tools to reasonably mitigate this problem on their own, like True North. Most experienced players are able to tell when a tank is going to face the boss, unless they're running in circles which would again be griefing.

[hydralus]

All this stuff

I'm comparing rescue to other ways that other players have an impact on your enjoyment of the game. Rescue is not special in that regard and pretending that it is a special problem... lol

[ForteNightshade]

This is a lot of words over 1 lost GCD in normal mode fights. My God. And the language used. "Extremely unpleasant". Yeah, definite Karen vibes.

To highlight LittleImp's point, I'll use RDM. If you get rescued during a melee combo, it isn't one GCD you're losing but several due to the fact you literally can't press any other button without breaking side combo. So you have to run back into melee range to finish it and if the person does press something, having not expected the rescue, then they'll have lost even more damage. Rescuing a BLM can cause them to drop Enochian if done at the wrong moment. NIN can bunny Mudras because the sudden movement causes them to accidentally press a button they weren't intending to.

Does any of this matter in casual content? No. That doesn't make it any less annoying, especially when the Rescue didn't accomplish anything.

[hydralus]

To highlight LittleImp's point, I'll use RDM. If you get rescued during a melee combo, it isn't one GCD you're losing but several due to the fact you literally can't press any other button without breaking side combo. So you have to run back into melee range to finish it and if the person does press something, having not expected the rescue, then they'll have lost even more damage. Rescuing a BLM can cause them to drop Enochian if done at the wrong moment. NIN can bunny Mudras because the sudden movement causes them to accidentally press a button they weren't intending to.

Does any of this matter in casual content? No. That doesn't make it any less annoying, especially when the Rescue didn't accomplish anything.

Oh it can be 'annoying', sure. I get annoyed any time someone starts heal spamming me when I have raw intuition. That doesn't mean I'm going to head to the forums and make a thread about how I didn't consent to being healed and the skill should be removed because I can heal myself just fine. And trust me, heal spammers are a lot more of a DPS loss than 1-2 GCDs for an improper rescue. I just accept it as a part of playing an online game with other people. They may not play as efficiently as I do and it's fine.

It's VERY Karen behavior to think "I am annoyed therefore I am right".

[hydralus]

This stupid argument again, huh?

It's group content. You will not be able to consent to everything a player does to your character. You can get killed outright if the tank suddenly turned and the boss cleaves the whole party (happens plenty of times in Titania normal) or God, they even force you to MOVE if they turn around, so you can hit your positionals! That's a DPS loss right there. How DARE the tank not stand in the same spot all fight!

It's a part of the proposed difficulty of the game and part of group play. So get outta here with your stupid "non consensual" game impact.

[ZedxKayn]

This stupid argument again, huh?

It's group content. You will not be able to consent to everything a player does to your character. You can get killed outright if the tank suddenly turned and the boss cleaves the whole party. It's a part of the proposed difficulty of the game and part of group play. So get outta here with your stupid "non consensual" game impact.

Is comparing rescue with griefing the best you can do?

Rescue is the only skill that has another player take control of someone's character away from them. Whether you accept it or not, it often negatively impacts people's experience of the game. And when that happens, well they're gonna voice criticism...