Moonfire Faire 2022 "Summer Sunset Bottoms" should be two separate items

[SturmChurro]

There is literally a thread about this below.

[Padudu]

There is literally a thread about this below.

Said thread talks about how bad the male glam is and is currently talking about health care lol. So honestly I don't blame the OP for making a separate thread.

I too, would like to be able to at least wear the male shorts. We have a bunch of different versions of panties, and the only sort of "shorts" that we do get is like, what, the knickers? I would love briefs -- especially as a lala lol.

[SturmChurro]

Said thread talks about how bad the male glam is and is currently talking about health care lol. So honestly I don't blame the OP for making a separate thread.

I too, would like to be able to at least wear the male shorts. We have a bunch of different versions of panties, and the only sort of "shorts" that we do get is like, what, the knickers? I would love briefs -- especially as a lala lol.

Frankly, the male shorts are pretty bad, so there is nothing wrong with that. Largely though, the thread is talking about wanting to make these hideous bottoms available for both. The male bottoms are hideous. I can appreciate male players not wanting them, that's for sure.

[Padudu]

Frankly, the male shorts are pretty bad, so there is nothing wrong with that. Largely though, the thread is talking about wanting to make these hideous bottoms available for both. The male bottoms are hideous. I can appreciate male players not wanting them, that's for sure.

Oof.. I feel a bit bad because I kind of like them LOL. But I can acknowledge that it's definitely not to everyone's tastes. I can't remember if it exists or not, we could definitely use some non-frills, plain ol' briefs/shorts for both genders. And definitely some basic one pieces that don't look like a dress (looking at you southern seas swimsuit).

Just image how popular the male top would be if females could where it without a bra.
And why not? It's not like there's any risk of a "wardrobe malfunction."

Then just make the male one a variation where we get the bra + the necklace or make it so that the shirt covers the goodies. Problem fixed.

[SturmChurro]

Oof.. I feel a bit bad because I kind of like them LOL. But I can acknowledge that it's definitely not to everyone's tastes. I can't remember if it exists or not, we could definitely use some non-frills, plain ol' briefs/shorts for both genders. And definitely some basic one pieces that don't look like a dress (looking at you southern seas swimsuit).

The Southern Seas Swimsuit is cute and can make for a lot of glams. Like for healer. I think we could use more stuff like that. The shorts for males from this event look like something you'd get out of a eureka box, and you'd get so many of them, you'd start discarding them instead of selling on the market for it's low value price. As for briefs or shorts, I would like to see more short shorts or equivalent for females, however this is not the event. I quite like the female outfit, the sandals are nice, the outfit itself is nice, It's all pretty good. I am not sure why this is so controversial here. I suspect most people in the game agree with me on this event outfit.

[Padudu]

The Southern Seas Swimsuit is cute and can make for a lot of glams. Like for healer. I think we could use more stuff like that. The shorts for males from this event look like something you'd get out of a eureka box, and you'd get so many of them, you'd start discarding them instead of selling on the market for it's low value price. As for briefs or shorts, I would like to see more short shorts or equivalent for females, however this is not the event. I quite like the female outfit, the sandals are nice, the outfit itself is nice, It's all pretty good. I am not sure why this is so controversial here. I suspect most people in the game agree with me on this event outfit.

Haha yeah, I'm def not knocking the southern seas and I know full well how versatile it can be - I personally like it and have a pair myself. I think we could do with some basics two piece or one piece sets as far as beachwear goes. I think the southern seas will always just remind me of being a minidress since.. Well, that's what I commonly see it being worn as - not that I blame anyone ofc lol

LOL I like that comparison - Idk, personally it reminds me of a surfer. I've definitely seen a good amount of swim trunks in that style and design, maybe I'd only change the "belt"/rim from that weird golden band to something more solid. Overall, the female outfit is nice yeah. But I personally wish for more short-shorts like briefs/boyshorts or a two piece. Excuse the print but this is what I would have in mind for a two piece at least:

[SturmChurro]

LOL I like that comparison - Idk, personally it reminds me of a surfer. I've definitely seen a good amount of swim trunks in that style and design, maybe I'd only change the "belt"/rim from that weird golden band to something more solid. Overall, the female outfit is nice yeah. But I personally wish for more short-shorts like briefs/boyshorts or a two piece. Excuse the print but this is what I would have in mind for a two piece at least:

We got a variation of that top already in a past moonfire event. Came with little masks. The Moonfire Happi. You can find bottoms relatively easy to go with them as well. Not dyable.

I'd like to see more things like the Sky Pirate casting bottoms. Less undyable parts (with and w/o leggings). A shorter version of the Spring Bottoms would be nice as well. Also, make miqo'te hempen set available for everyone (along with the others of course).

I'm withholding judgement until I can try it on; even glams that don't vary by race/tribe can look good or bad depending on which race/tribe is wearing it, in my opinion.

For example, to me, the Dalmascan Draped Top + Southern Seas Skirt looks great on an Auri fem, but doesn't quite suit a Viera fem. OTOH, to me, the Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt + Varsity Skirt looks great on a Viera fem, but doesn't quite suit an Auri fem.
Not really sure why that is.

YMMV, of course.

It's the scaling (size, height), and animations. Things that are cute will look nicer on something like an au ra, generally.

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There are a number of people who say a lot of things. I'd say those shorts are pretty much objectively ugly, and, like I said, I can see why male players would want to wear a new pair of speedos over them. I saw the image with shorts on a female character, it did not change my opinion on the shorts.

I think I was talking about shorts in general, and this years event specifically, as I doubt SE will make these separate. I don't really want bikini bottoms to be replaced by some unisex garbage, that would be horrible! I think we could use more feminine swimsuits if anything!

[Silverbane]

I quite like the female outfit, the sandals are nice, the outfit itself is nice, It's all pretty good.

I'm withholding judgement until I can try it on; even glams that don't vary by race/tribe can look good or bad depending on which race/tribe is wearing it, in my opinion.

For example, to me, the Dalmascan Draped Top + Southern Seas Skirt looks great on an Auri fem, but doesn't quite suit a Viera fem. OTOH, to me, the Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt + Varsity Skirt looks great on a Viera fem, but doesn't quite suit an Auri fem.
Not really sure why that is.

YMMV, of course.

[Iscah]

I'm withholding judgement until I can try it on; even glams that don't vary by race/tribe can look good or bad depending on which race/tribe is wearing it, in my opinion.

It's definitely the case. The different proportions, poses, general vibe of each character model can make a big difference to whether a piece works well on them. It's not as simple as "looks good on female character", and male characters are even more varied.

I have to wonder if the general attitude of "gear looks bad on male characters" comes from that. Bigger range of bodies means that each one has a subset of things that suit them well and not-so-well. I play multiple characters so usually I'll find someone who looks good in a thing, but if someone just has one character then maybe they write it off as bad and not just bad for them.

[Iscah]

Frankly, the male shorts are pretty bad

Personal taste is personal taste, and there were a number of people in the other thread saying they wanted to wear shorts on their female character. There was even a mock-up image someone posted, which had the girl wearing the shorts but didn't reverse that to give the guy briefs.

I'll be using the shorts with at least some of my male characters for sure. I like the pattern, and I'm hoping it will match nicely with the blue yukata from one of the previous Moonfire events.

I would like to see more short shorts or equivalent for females, however this is not the event. I quite like the female outfit, the sandals are nice, the outfit itself is nice, It's all pretty good. I am not sure why this is so controversial here. I suspect most people in the game agree with me on this event outfit.

What do you mean, "this is not the event" to be getting beachy shorts? That is exactly the sort of thing I'd pick to wear.

Also, there's nothing controversial about you liking the female version. It's just that some of us don't like it being the only possible option, especially when we get them over and over in slightly different styles.