Why does everyone complain about STORY based MMO's?

[Padudu]

"Rave reviews".

As for "burden of proof".."Defence team.." LOL.

Done here.

Really struck a nerve with calling you SE's defense team, huh? I'd like to say I'll try to be less antagonizing, but truth is, I don't really care since I know that you only like making vapid, easy takes that you don't like being called out on or criticized in any fashion or form, else you'll start up on your disingenuous bullshit of shifting goalposts and deflecting any sort of mildly negative opinion flung towards you.

You LOL'ing at "burden of proof" tells it all really when you make stupid comments such as:

Metacritic 92, overall gamescore 94.

So no it isnt 'way more people"..its only you.

Ive said it before, this forum is a small fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 1% of the playerbase, and as such does not represent the millions who play...you dont speak for them you dont speak for me.

Not knowing that there's been plenty of "Hey, Endwalker was kinda meh" outside the forums and on reddit and other discussion boards. You won't see it on r/XIV because that forum is heavily moderated too. It received rave reviews by journalists paid to review games like this. The majority don't even play the game to completion IIRC. Of course they wouldn't want to make big daddy SE mad about calling the story bad, especially when it's the biggest game of the company. Big gaming journalists hardly take risks.

..defence team? Wut?

I never said it represented the playerbase either, I said that Endwalker received rave reviews. It did.

I'd love for you to explain "it's only you" - when that in itself is entirely false by the way - comment then. I'd also love to see you explain how your little disclaimer of "your views doesn't represent my views" and "the only one who doesn't like the EW story is only you" isn't totally contradictory at all and deflates your entire point. Especially when you post gaming journal media as an argument against said post. But hey, I know you won't since you're incapable of such constructing a semblance of a reasonable defense. Can't wait to see you post "LOLOLOLOL YOU SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE" even though you're the one who wrote it!

[BRVV]

IGN
Metacritic 92, overall gamescore 94.

So no it isnt 'way more people"..its only you.

Here again. You come to your conclusion. Don't act like you didn't post this. Don't move the burden of proof.

[Remolia]

Coz the actual main story - the "Hildibrand Quest Line" is not MSQ, but instead we forced to some long mid-rated netflix show, with characters I lost track of, coz simply dont care.

If seriously, I think problem with "friends catch up mechanics" where new players/returners has to do a long story, in order to catch up with friends (FC memebers, other players they meet around), or buy MSQ boost, while their friends do cool content, but without them. And speed run and skip every cut scene just makes it annoying routine :C

It was not a problem in ARR/HW, maybe SB, but now story is super long.
Plus some people, who finds MSQ not interesting, sees MSQ as grind, and some people does not enjoy the grind, and go complain about it.

[Hanayumi]

At this point eonder if they could just flat out make the story optional? Like hitting lv cap automatically unlocks raids, side content, and such... But then again they'd prolly make leveling daunting and slow and make story quest give tons on exp to incentivize them...

[BaconBits]

LOL. LMAO even.[/I]

It's not a proper thread until Vel goes nutty on the keyboard for reasons incomprehensible to the human mind.

[VelKallor]

It's not a proper thread until Vel goes nutty on the keyboard for reasons incomprehensible to the human mind.

Even more so when what i did say, is twisted and reworded to say what i never said. But you know, narrative.

[Padudu]

Even more so when what i did say, is twisted and reworded to say what i never said. But you know, narrative.

Requoting what you said and asking for you to explain is twisting the narrative? lol

[Zegtry]

You are well aware that you are playing an Rpg. even before going online? In addition, you are playing a game called Final Fantasy, which happens to be a game with more stories and filling quests than gameplay...
You come to the game knowing explicitly that such a license is going to have a number of filler quests and a pretty big story. If you don't like this type of content why not skip the moments you deem unnecessary in your progress?
If the majority of players like to have such content you have no reason to stop them from continuing to like such a thing when your simple reason is to want to play endgame content and therefore to eliminate the essence even license.
Stop wanting generic games that look alike....

[Novae]

If the majority of players like to have such content you have no reason to stop them from continuing to like such a thing when your simple reason is to want to play endgame content and therefore to eliminate the essence even license.
Stop wanting generic games that look alike....

And the opposite is also true. Stop thinking FF14 isn't a MMO please. It is, and that's why we compare it to WoW, GW2, ESO or SWTOR and not single player games.

[Jojoya]

In a game where the story is main focus behind the game, you are not rushed to get to endgame, you are not FORCED to play optimally to get through content...

Yet every day i see the same thing: 'WAH WAH STORY IS TOO LONG'

Seriously, The game IS the story.

It is a FINAL FANTASY game.

There are plenty of MMO's out there that destroy their own storylines for the 'endgame progression' aspect of the game, if you want to play those, then do that.

FFXIV should never move away from the story aspect of the game, the MSQ is what keeps this game coherent.

I don't see everyone complaining so why complain about it?

Not everyone likes the same thing. Not everyone has played a Final Fantasy game in the past and those who haven't aren't familiar with how FF games are structured.

Just because someone isn't into story doesn't mean they won't like other content and features of the game.

The only thing I'm against is altering existing content to please those who don't care about story. It's better for SE to add an alternate progression path to the game for those players.

If SE is able to go back and retrofit MSQ for those who want a solo player experience, it shouldn't be hard for them to create a non-story progression path for those who don't care about story.

Remember how we need to choose between keyboard/mouse and controller set up when our characters first enter their starting city? Follow that with a second question: Do you wish to choose the path of the Warrior of Light or the path of the Mercenary? The WoL path would be the MSQ. The Mercenary path would have dungeons/trial automatically unlock at the appropriate level but give the player no guidance on how to level. Or perhaps SE adds new worlds specifically for the Mercenary path.

Queuing in Duty Finder would only match them to other Mercenaries so there's no conflict with those enjoying the story. Players on both paths would still interact with each other in the open world content such as FATEs. They could still pre-form groups together to queue for specific duties or roulettes (though any needed random matchmaking to fill out a party would only be with Mercenaries, not WoLs).

The Mercenary path would be a bit harder as there would be no frequent quest rewards to get gear and gil though they could still get those things from other content. There would be no guidance on what to do next (at least not until players started creating and sharing such guides). If they later decide they do want to experience the story, then they would need to create a new character to start fresh instead of having access to NG+.

There are ways for both types of players to be happy.