Why does everyone complain about STORY based MMO's?

[Alaray]

different people play for different reasons, people are fine to want to skip the story if that's their decision.

some people log in just to glamour/gpose. some to rp. some to read the story and log off until next patch. some to half-afk in cities and chat. some to raid and raid only. some to pvp. so on.

jus cuz some people don't like the thing you think is most important/like the most isn't a big deal, and tbqh the story isn't actually important at all unless you... want to know the story.

it's a themepark after all, not everyone likes riding the tea cups and not everyone likes roller coasters. and there's plenty of stuff that ain't either to do.

[Absurdity]

This isn't just exclusive to XIV either. If I would go back to WoW, skip through the leveling process, don't botheer to learn about gearing correctly, don't bother to learn my class, don't bother to learn any mechanics, then jump into a raid and complain when I fail completely... I'll get laughed out of the game for being an entitled, unreasonable annoyance, instead of the game adjusting to my unwillingness to learn anything. The same applies to ESO and I'm pretty sure just about every other mmo out there.

[Ransu]

People who don't skip and stick it out are more likely to stick around than people who immediately skip and rush to end game. FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game. So yes, I feel the current system is perfectly fine. If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

The clip I posted is less about skill and more about how people act when they skip. Quin knows how to raid in MMO's, but he didn't know the basic concepts of FFXIV's mechanics that even if you did rush through story you would still learn simple things like why heals would have done nothing in that scenario. Skipping generally brings that type of attitude, and leads to players less likely to stick around.

[Tlamila]

If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

Too bad for you, those people have been playing the game this whole time and quite frankly, you don't really get to decide who plays the game.
I'd also prefer not to have elitists who think not caring about msq is a capital crime, but here we are. We can't all get what we want.
You also don't get to decide who plays WoW (why does it have to always be WoW, some of you seem so obsessed with that game that I wonder if you should be the one playing it), though they probably appreciate your vain efforts to try and increase their revenue and playerbase.

[HyoMinPark]

People who don't skip and stick it out are more likely to stick around than people who immediately skip and rush to end game.

Do you have any proof of this? Because it’s also true that people have quit this game well before getting to endgame due to the sheer length of the MSQ. A lot of people still fall off in ARR despite the “condensing” they did not too long ago. Skipping or not skipping is no definitive indicator if someone will stick to the game or not. Some people don’t care about the story and just want to do endgame content and that is perfectly fine. Coming from someone who loves the story enough to have multiple alts that I’ve done it on AND do NG+, I’m not offended if someone skips it. Not up to me to dictate if they do it or not.

FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game. So yes, I feel the current system is perfectly fine. If you want to skip everything then I 100% would never recommend this game and quite frankly I don't want those kind of players playing this game. They can go back to WoW.

Obligatory “this isn’t WoW”/“go back to WoW” strawman. All this nonsense “argument” does is make your post look silly.

The clip I posted is less about skill and more about how people act when they skip. Quin knows how to raid in MMO's, but he didn't know the basic concepts of FFXIV's mechanics that even if you did rush through story you would still learn simple things like why heals would have done nothing in that scenario. Skipping generally brings that type of attitude, and leads to players less likely to stick around.

And yet, as I said to you, you have players who do not skip that whine and complain about the same things. Do they get a free pass to whine at healers for not healing a OHKO or for not knowing how to play their jobs simply because they went through the MSQ without skipping? Again, you’re making a lot of assumptions without any real evidence simply because you’re biased.

[vetch]

FFXIV isn't WoW, its not about rushing to end game.

lmao. FF14 rushes you to endgame harder than 90% of MMOs. The MSQ will give you enough XP, free gear, and easy combat that you never need to do a sidequest, never need to unlock an optional leveling dungeon, never need to craft a piece of armor, never need to re-run an MSQ dungeon for more loot.

You think because you noticed in your tiny sample size of 'two MMOs that both rush you to endgame' that one rushes you slightly faster, that this is a meaningful difference worth picking sides and being snotty to people over.

[Dubolomus]

I created a new character on Alpha and now I'm taking my time going through the game. I like the story, including ARR (and I think that part of it was removed in vain). I like side quests and how stories from them sometimes appear in other quests. I love this game and enjoy it.

[Stanazolol]

Too much of the story is a boring snooze fest. There are a few big pay off moments, but the vast majority of it is a slog, especially pre shadowbringers. People get in the habit of skipping and I dont blame them.

[Irenia]

lmao. FF14 rushes you to endgame harder than 90% of MMOs. The MSQ will give you enough XP, free gear, and easy combat that you never need to do a sidequest, never need to unlock an optional leveling dungeon, never need to craft a piece of armor, never need to re-run an MSQ dungeon for more loot.

You think because you noticed in your tiny sample size of 'two MMOs that both rush you to endgame' that one rushes you slightly faster, that this is a meaningful difference worth picking sides and being snotty to people over.

Not if you are a new player.

I haven't played WoW, but I have looked into the new player experience quite a while back.

Now my memory is foggy, so anyone more familiar can speak up, but WoW does not care about it's legacy content at all. It's there to be blasted through to get to new content to the point once you were ready for the current expansion it would put you at the expansion start.

Like, could you imagine FF just dropping you at the start of Endwalker as soon as you hit 80? It seems absurd currently because the game loves its legacy content so much.

FF definitely does not rush the new player to max level.

[vetch]

Not if you are a new player.

I haven't played WoW, but I have looked into the new player experience quite a while back.

Now my memory is foggy, so anyone more familiar can speak up, but WoW does not care about it's legacy content at all. It's there to be blasted through to get to new content to the point once you were ready for the current expansion it would put you at the expansion start.

Like, could you imagine FF just dropping you at the start of Endwalker as soon as you hit 80? It seems absurd currently because the game loves its legacy content so much.

FF definitely does not rush the new player to max level.

WoW was always designed so you could abandon quests if you weren't interested in them and move to a new zone, as long as you had the minimum level for it. That is not new; that is how WoW works. I was doing it all the way back in TBC. All that has changed is the pacing; in early WoW it would have been unheard of for a mid-level character to gain 5 levels in a day. Now it's quite easy to do it in either WoW or FF14 if you have a day off to play.

FF14 is just as irreverent toward its legacy content, unless you think for example that smashing through Labyrinth of the Ancients with a whole raid that's 70 item levels above the release sync is somehow respecting the fight design. It absolutely discourages you from legacy side content since there's no point taking up craftskills or (re)running optional dungeons to keep your armor updated when the combat is easy and the MSQ is going to give you free gear before you ever hit a serious pain point.

You are trying to compare dissimilar design philosophies to make points about pacing instead of simply looking at the pacing. I am a new player, I started in patch 5.3, and FF14 maintains the same rushed pacing, it's just obfuscated because it's running on the parallel track of being an MSQ-driven game instead of a story-optional quest-hub game.

Sure, if you drop quests in WoW as soon as you qualify for a new xpac, then it seems like you're speeding through the game. But the FF14 equivalent would be skipping cutscenes and mashing through dialogue, and that goes through the game just as fast. In both cases you're refusing to take an interest in the plotlines, exploration, worldbuilding, NPCs, etc. that the quests offer.

Both communities rush people to endgame, too, albeit for different reasons and by different ways. Do you really think the common mantra told to new players that they should "stick it out through the early game story because it's going to get really good in ShB" somehow isn't encouraging them to skip on experiencing legacy content?