Extreme Roulette would be good for game

[Jojoya]

No one is required to do any roulette or EX trials (short of getting the HW EX done for the ShB meta role quest) so I don't see a problem with adding one. Those who don't want to do it won't need to. Those who enjoy doing the EXs with random groups can.

SE can always remove the roulette if it's shown there's no real interest in it after a couple of patches.

[Deveryn]

Think it would be easier for them to just slap a new nifty reward to old EXs, how about another set of primal gear or a glowy version?

They eventually get around to making glowy sets of trial weapons. We got Susano in 6.1, wrapping up Stormblood. We should start to see some ShB sets.


btw, if you really want to do an extreme roulette, you can queue 5 of them on duty finder.

Another potential problem with this idea is it becomes like Alliance roulette, where people purposely undergear to get the ARR trials. Again, you're not going to find many that will honestly remember all of the ~30 trials.

[anguel]

The ARR fights are easy now in comparison to when they were initially released since power creep means we can overpower them much easier. However, that doesn't translate into later extreme fights where you have much more complex mechanics, relatively speaking, which require the whole party to cooperate, and not just 1 person.

kinda irrelevant, that older and newer extreme are much harder mechanic wise(even if true), because it doesnt change fact that nobody absolutly nobody want to do older extreme DESPITE powercreep and "easier" mechanics
and even though they are supposedly easier, we managed to make a PF just 2 hrs ago for ramuh extreme, (synced, minimum ilvl, no echo) and well you'd be surprised how many "veteran/mentor" failed to do just proper mechanic, and wiped in chain ...

[Latarma]

Ahahaha

... you actually think that will motivate anyone? Materia are given out like candy nowadays. I could get more in twenty minutes from a hunt train alongside more than double the latest tomes (120 to be specific). All without putting in the slightest bit of effort since hunt trains are mindless.

50 tomes and 1/2 grade X materia is nothing. Hell, grade IXs aren't even 4k on the market board. For reference sake on just how easy they are to obtain. I have stacks of 200+ on every single IX and 100+ on the Xs without grinding a single second. That's all from simply doing the occasional around of roulettes. I haven't even done a hunt train since 6.1 dropped. To get people into an EX Trial roulette, you'd need like 300 tomes and 10+ materia. Even that I doubt would motivate many. And like I said, would prompt some to simply queue in as a full pre-made. Nobody will ever queue with DF randoms at the EX level.

i doubt it would work but but add and item you can get and you need say 15-20 adn you by any EX mount. other that hat i do see any rewards being worth it

[Raoabolic]

we used to queue Titan EX every night for fun on JP servers (Way higher skill cap on JP so people dont play like bots)

The JP servers are pure kino when it comes to this. Feels real good being able to queue for an EX on a JP server and have a less than 5 minute wait AND everyone making sure everyone knows the basics of the fight.

[UkcsAlias]

One important aspect on this is that it should not involve the exploit the alliance raids have in which downgearing prevents difficult content. Otherwise it would just break the point of existing as you will just end with the lvl 50 trials most of the time which then are trivial to beat due to players doing these lots of times.

3 methods to achieve this:
- The roulette looks at the MSQ and character level to decide a fair treshold, and it uses each questline (ARR,ARA,HW,DS,SB,etc) as treshold to decide which content they are matched to. And this is simply enforced by ilvl. Having higher gear on that will enable a few more trials to show up. But it will avoid massive undergearing (someone in post EW will still get all ShB content). Taking a weaker char can still get people to enforce them to enter lower level content, but this generaly just means more suffering for them with it.
- The rewards for completion scale based on the ilvl you entered with. joining in ilvl130 will only give about 25% of the rewards vs ilvl500 gear then. Making gearing up a generaly more beneficial action. Alternatively, the scaling can even be made non linear and/or scale with MSQ.
- The roulette is only available at max lvl with an enforced min ilvl. No scaling, and only available in post EW.

[ForteNightshade]

i doubt it would work but but add and item you can get and you need say 15-20 adn you by any EX mount. other that hat i do see any rewards being worth it

Even then, they would have to force solo queuing otherwise people would simply make a pre-made to farm whatever goodies they added without actually doing what was intended by the roulette: help newer players clear EXs. Of course, making it a solo queue only option is precisely what will keep those same people out.

[ICountFrom0]

Take a moment, look at the high end tab right now in party finder.
All those groups are people grinding away, learning to do one of the current EX fights.
It'll take them weeks to learn it well.

... and then most of them will forget it once they've not done it after a while.

You want a roulette that would require weeks of effort to learn every ex that ever was.. so, say a year of hard work to get every fight down, and not forget any of them, because you might end up in any of them.

Not only that, but you want 5 or 6 people with that level of skill to be qued up at the same time?

Look, I'm all for letting mentor roulette be accessible to more people, but inflicting that on the general population seems unkind at best.

If the rewards are somehow high enough to make grinding for a year to learn everything, and being the kind of god player who can actually remember it all, then greedy random people will drop themselves into the que, with no skill, but a LOT of hunger, and you'll actually drive the net knowledge of people qued for an ex DOWN.

[Payadopa]

No one is required to do any roulette or EX trials (short of getting the HW EX done for the ShB meta role quest) so I don't see a problem with adding one. Those who don't want to do it won't need to. Those who enjoy doing the EXs with random groups can.

SE can always remove the roulette if it's shown there's no real interest in it after a couple of patches.

That's how I see it. And the systems are already in place anyway. I did not like the old MSQ roulette. But instead of mounting about it I just never did it.

[LittleImp]

Take a moment, look at the high end tab right now in party finder.
All those groups are people grinding away, learning to do one of the current EX fights.
It'll take them weeks to learn it well.

Extreme fights only take 1-3 hours to learn and clear, even for pretty casual folks. They're not really meant to be super difficult..